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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No idea what you're talking about. Clearly, there is no need to be taken out of the world in order to be kept from temptation and evil. That is obvious. So, to try and say otherwise is just ridiculous. No, it hinges on your active imagination that contradicts the written word of God. I do my...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    A fruitful discussion involves each person addressing the other's points. So far, you are not addressing mine at all. Yes, I believe that Jesus is YHWH, the Lord God of Israel. But, that proves nothing as it relates to this discussion. Are the references that John the Baptist made to Jesus...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Goodness gracious. Of course I agree with that. Don't talk to me like I'm some child who just started reading the Bible. I have been studying scripture in depth for many years. I understand that is your opinion and why you see it as you do. But, when John the Baptist called Jesus "The Lamb of...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    No, I am not. It does you no good to lie about what I'm doing. It's a bad look for you. Tell me, does the seventh trumpet signal "the time of the dead, that they should be judged? Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I did not say He returned in the first century. I'm not a preterist. I think of everything coming to an end basically right when He returns, so I didn't include those verses only for that reason. But, technically, yes, all will be fulfilled after He comes from heaven with His angels, gathers the...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL at you for thinking he hasn't researched that issue.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    He talks nothing but nonsense. I take him saying that Luke 16:19-31 is a parable as evidence that it's not a parable since he is wrong about almost everything. sml
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    End time prophecy

    Luke 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Who said we can't? I understand it just fine and was showing how your understanding is flawed. I was showing what Revelation 11:15 implies by using scripture to intepret scripture. Are you familiar with that concept? That will never happen. Tell me how that can happen when Revelation 11:15...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Yep. That's all I'm saying. They formerly were not the people of God in Old Testament times and then they were in New Testament times. Very simple. You are not understanding what I'm saying which is not my fault. I'm saying that it was a mystery in Old Testament times that Gentiles were...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Right. Also, how can someone think that the thousand years begins after the seventh trumpet in light of this: Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Christ reigns over His kingdom now and we are in it. Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    I disagree. What "unto Messiah the prince" means is obviously debatable. Can you acknowledge that? When John revealed that Jesus is "the Son of God" that was in essence a revealing of Him as the Messiah. So, I stand by what I said and fully believe that is what "unto Messiah the Prince" is...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Your reasoning seems to be that if a passage contains any figurative language, then it is a parable. Which is absolutely ridiculous! The Bible would contain hundreds (thousands?) of parables in that case. Real people and places are mentioned in Luke 16:19-31. It is absolutely not a parable. Just...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Regardless of whether or not the spirit of a person has consciousness in heaven, scripture is clear that a person's soul does have consciousness there. Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    So, you think Jesus rejected Stephen's request to receive his spirit then? Wrong. I have destroyed your false doctrine of soul sleep and you won't acknowledge it. It is based on false intepretations of scripture. Your treatment of Luke 16:19-31 in particular is nothing more than a joke. You...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    No, of course my position didn't change. You are just not understanding what I'm saying. All I'm saying is simply that in OT times the Gentiles were excluded, but are included in NT times. What is hard to understand about this? I'm basically just saying what Paul said in Ephesians 2:11-22. Do...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    LOL. Total nonsense. Did you forget that I'm neither a preterist nor a futurist? You said yourself that there are Jesuit futurists and Jesuit preterists. I am neither. Your lies do nothing but reveal that you are a liar. There are other beliefs besides Catholicism and Protestantism just as there...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    They will be crying to the mountains

    To think that all of the world's armies will literally gather at one location is ludicrous. You are missing the symbolism in the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture. Your literal approach to interpreting the book is utterly ridiculous. Armageddon isn't a literal earthly place just as...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    End time prophecy

    What are you intending to say here? Be specific.