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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That passage is talking only about believers. Are you saying you believe the supposed earthly kingdom that you think Jesus will reign over after His return will be populated by spiritual, immortal bodies? If so, how could the following happen after the thousands years ends: Revelation 20:7 And...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Please read what I say carefully. Never did I say that the sudden destruction would come upon believers. Just before the passage you quoted, Paul indicated that believers will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. So, that is what happens to believers on that day. And we will all have...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This is your problem. You expect God, whose ways and thoughts are as far above our ways and thoughts as heaven is from the earth (Isaiah 55:9) to make complete sense to your limited human mind. We're talking about God here. Why do you want to limit what is possible for God?
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Why use a translation that contradicts your doctrine? I would never do that. It makes no sense. It seems like you would prefer the New World Translation favored by Jehovah's Witnesses.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This is pure nonsense. Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Who...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You have criticized the translations that people on this thread are using. What is your preferred English Bible translation?
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Okay, you acknowledge that the day of the Lord refers to the day when Christ returns. What did Paul say would happen on that day? He said in 1 Thess 5:2-3 that there would be "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape", right? Will any mortals survive that? What did Peter say will...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You're not saying anything here that us Christians disagree with. God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. But, we believe in what they call "the trinity" which is God in three persons: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And we believe that Jesus is both God and man at the same time. So, to say...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    There has definitely been a flurry of posts in this thread. With that said, I hope you will respond to my post #1687 because I think it's worth examining Luke 21 more carefully than what it seems you have so far.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I'm sorry. I didn't realize simple questions were too difficult for you to answer.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Are you part of the Jehovah's Witnesses religion? What Bible translation do you use?
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Well, you're also someone who doesn't believe like a typical pretrib who would say there is one rapture and it will occur right before the tribulation, just as portrayed in the Left Behind fictional novels. There's no question that many people have been influenced by those novels. Think about...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Why not? There is nothing that says this. That is what you want to believe. You are deceived. Scripture says the world was made BY Him and FOR Him and you deny that. You deny clear scripture repeatedly. Why should anyone listen to you? Would I ask if I knew? Of course not. Why do you play games...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Look at this guy applauding the thoughtfulness of the heretic who denies the deity of Christ while in the meantime he says evil and nasty things to those like me who do believe in the deity of Christ. You have your priorities all out of order. It's hilarious that you imagine yourself to be...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This describes them: 1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It is typical of human beings who have have long held beliefs to react angrily when they find out their long held beliefs are not true. But, Christians should not be like that. When I came to realize that Amil was true, I was baffled a bit at first and wondered how I didn't see it before. But, I...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That's what you will say in response to any truth that is presented to you. That is what those who are brainwashed by cults do. You are blind and deceived. Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Absolutely agree. When have we ever called them "Satan" or "evil spirits" or anything like that? Never. Do those like us who passionately argue in support of the deity of Christ follow Satan or evil spirits? Of course not. So, they are way out of line with those kinds of insults.
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    So, let's ask him then. @CadyandZoe Are you a Jehovah's Witness?