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The question is, why do you not apply this duality - both a figurative and literal aspect - to the "Oneness" extending to literally making us God? Trinitarianism is arbitrary. Some things are arbitrarily figurative, literal or both. It just depends on what it takes to make trinitarianism seem...

Sly, you are. Scripture does not refer to the Father but to God, in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature.

I believe it is very simple. Perhaps the simplicity comes from me being a binary thinker. Is "It is finished" to mean universalism is correct doctrine? Yes No. If yes, then > OSAS is correct doctrine. If no, why not? The simple answer is that it takes action on our part. What? Action takes...

Oy vey! You were saying in some way that we are all the body of Christ. I think you know this "Oneness" is figurative. However, when it comes to the "Oneness" of God and Jesus, you assert it is not figurative but literal.

To properly summarize the OSAS doctrine, we cannot ever forget their ex post facto rationalization; that if anyone does sin in the future, they were never 'really' saved to begin with. This violates hypothesis testing of the scientific method. If a hypothesis is valid, it must have a rejection...

Do you even grasp the distinction between figurative from literal use of language? To invoke the body of a person to figuratively express how we are united, is a far cry from saying we are all literally God.

Rather than admit you are contradicting yourself, you reveal your mocking spirit. I'll pray for you.

Aristotlean logic: Contradictions do not exist in reality. Mystical Dualism: Contradictions exist in reality.

Pot, calling the kettle black. To wit: That's not what you wrote. You said, and I agreed that they were sent by God. Now you are twisting things into what they are not to suit your doctrine.

OK. With all due respect, I've found anyone who uses the terms 'godhead' or 'oneness' are mystics who assert illogical things, which is rejected out of hand. Deference is given, not to possible confusion of oneness, but to the 20,000 x God is referred to in Scripture using singular pronouns...

There is another thread that talks about the benefits of believing something one way or another. I like such risk analysis thinking. Given, we are saved by grace and not works, what is the benefit of believing OSAS v NOSAS? I embrace NOSAS and believe the benefit is humility. Humility in...

Is ANY idea diametrically opposed to trinitarianism?

Are you even aware of how your words destroy the trinity? I agree with what you write here, that neither the Holy Spirit nor Jesus are God but both came from God.

You keep talking about beliefs and make fallacious Appeals to Majority. I am talking about the fact that Jesus explicitly said he has a God, the Father, who is the only true God. That’s what is relevant here. Why is that not important to you?

Welcome to the forums Daniel. How long have you been saved? What do you mean to imply in your post?

Untrue. Every epistle explicitly identifies God as the Father alone. Every one! The Scriptural evidence against the trinity is total. There is no trinity verse and it is directly taught that God is one, the Father over and over again. I don't know why this doesn't mean anything to you. May...

Some kind of Appeal to Majority again. You too are entitled to your beliefs. I showed how mine are logical. You reference a forum that disagrees or rather denies the logical argument, the explict Scriputural teaching.

Strawman. This thread is about 1 verse. And you have not explained why it does not mean anything to you that Jesus said he has a God, who is the only true God. And to avoid another Strawman, Jesus explicitly says this. The other verses you refer to are not explicit. One has to read trinitarian...

Never read the Bible? It's as plain as day.