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[quote name='[email protected]' timestamp='1305741763' post='111378'] Been there and did that and YES it is brain washing. Is the military a cult? Yes indeedy because it teaches you to worship the flag and adore the group. Yes sir. The group is beloved even when it does gastly inhumane...

It's in relation to Christ's future thousand years reign. And then the end after it with the great white throne judgment. The "thousand years" by Christ of Rev.20 is the time when He will put all His enemies under His feet. All the wicked will bow to Christ Jesus in that time. Then after that...

Rev 13:11-14 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly...

It would seem to point to Enoch and Elijah, since they did not die. And remember this... Heb 9:27 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (KJV) How could that not also apply to Enoch and Elijah, since they were born in the flesh also? I guess one could...

[quote name='Joshua David'] I really don't understand what you are talking about as far as the four winds are concerned. I got that since it said that he was to seal his servants, then the church must be included. Do I have that right? I read it five or six times, and I am really trying to...

OK, the John 14 example. Now that event our Lord Jesus is describing definitely, is about our gathering to Him where He will be. BUT WHEN? AND EXACTLY TO WHERE? Notice even Thomas asked Him where in John 14:5. The WHERE: Our Lord Jesus pointed to a specific location, and indirectly to a...

Firstly, I know that Rev.3:10 verse is USED to try and support a Pre-trib rapture view. But does it declare an actual gathering of the saints prior to the tribulation? No. Does it declare an actual physical removal of the saints to Heaven in order to be kept from that hour of temptation? No. To...

I'm not willing to accept the idea that you're declaring a different doctrine than pre-trib, since you've asserted that you believe in a return of Christ and gathering PRIOR to the tribulation. That is a Pre-trib view, regardless of you having some differences with it. Heck with all the Darby...

You keep saying that we agree, but that's simply not true based on how you've interpreted Christ's coming and the gathering of His saints. I've already marked the difference more than once in my replies to you, but you keep passing over it. So here it is once more. There is no Scripture support...

The dead in the ground doctrine is actually an old idea that relies literally on one's flesh body being resurrected, when God's Word reveals it is not our flesh that is resurrected, but our spirit. Eccl 12:6-7 6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher...

I think the Message in Hebrews 5 can easily be missed without taking the chapter as a 'whole', and without staying with the rest of the Messages in the Book of Hebrews about Christ. Heb 5:1-10 1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he...

I'm not the one calling God and His servants liars, you're doing a good job of that by denying Jesus as THE CHRIST, IMMANUEL (GOD with us). And just how is it that you're doing that? By trying to show how GOD could be KILLED!!! The devil's gotta' love that one. It was Christ's FLESH that died...

The doctrine called the "secret rapture" did begin in 1830's Britain, with Irvingism. And that's the basis of where today's Pre-tribulationalsim comes from, not from others like Lacunza, or those you mentioned that lived in an earlier time than the 1800's. The hunt for others prior to the 1800's...

[quote name='Joshua David' timestamp='1305649474' post='111261'] This comment actually made me laugh. First off, I did not say that Post Tribulationist always do this or do that, I said that most of them will just quote Matt 24 and think that this solves the issue. And not only that, but I...

I understand, but I didn't try to bring in history of the doctrine, you did. I was ready to go to Scripture. Darby was actually the one who created the phrase "secret rapture", and he is one of the fathers of the pre-trib doctrine that exists today. It was because the doctrine originally...

Christ's flesh died, but Christ Himself did not... 1 Pet 3:18-22 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in...

Keep with it, you're almost there. That "Angelic Prince" is a 'man', but not a flesh born man. The meaning of the Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'. Remember, the image likeness of man originated from the Heavenly from God's Own Image (Gen.1:26-27). Remember also, John was shown two...

I for one am not laughing at this situation; tell you why. We are in the last days, so God help those who don't know that. We're also a lot closer to Christ's return, but that's going to be a good thing for us who believe on Him as The Saviour. So, what is it that bothers me about those kind...

I agree with that too. When I once baulked at evolutionist's ideas of 'prehistoric cave man' in the break room at my job, even while among other Christian brethren in the group, they all kind of looked at me with disdain, like I missed grade school or something. I believe it's healthy to not...

I'm aware there were 'suggestions' of the doctrine in past history, but not as an accepted doctrine of the Church in those times. But in 1830's Great Britain, with the Edward Irving movement, and John Darby's association with it coining the phrase "secret rapture", that's officially when a rare...