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Boy - talk about Scriptural acrobatics . . . Paul clearly calls HIMSELF a "Father" to the Corinthians and to Timothy. If it is wrong to consider anybody else a "Father" - then Paul was sinning. WAS Paul sinning here??

Are you even READING my posts?? I already gave you Scripture support for Mass cards in James 5:15. R*E*A*D post #661 . . .

Having trouble, Rollo? Can't remember what it was you wanted me to rebut?? Or is it just that you finally realized that you didn't have a case?? That's what I thought . . .

In other words, you got caught spewing ignorance. You never had a case regarding Indulgences because you don't pay attention. Now - as for Mass cards - James 5:16 says pretty clearly that we are to PRAY for one another. That's what a Mass card IS, Einstein. It is offering up prayers for...

And if YOU keep lying - you'll end up somewhere you don't want to be for eternity. I'm actually doing you a favor. Admonishing the sinner is a work of mercy.

So, you STILL can't find a historical example of the Church in other regions getting involved in the problems of another Church. That's what I thought . . . Game. Set. MATCH.

Tell me WHAT you want me to rebut and I'll do it. This is like trying to have a conversation with an obstinate child . . .

Psalm 23 is about the sheep following his Shepherd and being safe. It says absolutely NOTHING about what happens to that that sheep if he walks away from his Shepherd.

What is there to rebut?? All you did was to provide a definition. Exactly what is it that I need to rebut??

Time for a BIBLE lesson . . . St. Paul speaks of "our father Isaac” (Romans 9:10). Paul ALSO says to the Corinthians - "For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15). Was Paul "Ignoroing" God??

Then show me HOW I'm wrong. If you can't do this - then you're simply exposing your ignorance. Show me how my interpretation of Matt. 5:13 is flawed. It's your DUTY as a Christian.

TRANSLATION: "I stuck my FOOT in my mouth and was exposed again." A little free advice: Be prepared to to show evidence for the things you claim - or keep silent . . .

Then show me. Regarding the Catholic Church - exactly what do you know "more" about.

You proved WHAT?? The charge was that they were SOLD by the Church. You didn't disprove anything. Nobody said anything about the existence of Indulgences Pay attention to the conversation.

Of course that verse doesn't exist because the man made doctrine of OSAS if FALSE. If you can't support your doctrines with Scripture - then they are FALSE doctrines.

Matt. 22:1-14 doesn't disprove Matt. 5:13. It fully supports it.

Changing the subject is the final crefuge of the truly desperate. If you can't have an intelligent discussion - just admit it and move on.

Oh - you mean the way your Protestant ministers are "under control"?? The way that this problem is FAR worse in your Protestant sects than in the Catholic Church??

Thanks for dodging the question. Now, how about answering it? ONE more time: Where does God say that you can NEVER lose your salvation??

Just exposing your hypocrisy . . .