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  1. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    And your Protestant churches would be wrong. Presbyter and Episkopos are NOT the same thing. Presbyter is where we get the word "Priest" and Episkopos means "Bishop". Also, the "Eucharist" that Ignatius are describing is not your average, "symbolic" Protestant version. Ignatius of Antioch...
  2. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    No - he used it as a TITLE. Read post 967 . . .
  3. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    And I've been waiting for several weeks now on multiple threads for YOU to tell me why you keep quoting a Catholic Canon of Scripture? WHO told you what you were quoting is Scripture?
  4. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    I have to disagree with you on several points. First of all - EVERY point about the Church described by Ignatius is the SAME as the Catholic Church if today. Which part are you saying is "different" than the Catholic Church of your youth?? Secondly, word of mouth when it comes to Sacred...
  5. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Ummmm, that's NOT what you demanded of me. YOU said the following: "I am still waiting for a reference for Catholics receiving the Eucharist in the Eastern Orthodox Church." I presented you with the evidence - and now you're rejecting it. Sooooo, this is how the game is played?? I keep...
  6. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Hey - I'm not the "Lone Ranger" here - YOU are. I'm not the one who has abandoned His Church - YOU have. I'm not the one who think Jesus LIED when He said that the Gate of Hell wouldn't prevail against His Church - YOU are. I'm not the one who belongs to the online cult...
  7. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    "Unanswered" prayers?? THAT'S your answer?? This empty and inane answer is just mind-boggling. Rev. 5:8 shows those in Heaven taking our prayers before God and Rev. 8:4-5 shows the Angels in Heaven doing the SAME thing. Are the angels ALSO taking all of these abandoned and "unanswered"...
  8. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    You won't get into it because you'll be fighting a losing battle. The evidence is crystal clear there. As for the Holy Spirit guiding the Church and NOT the individual - allow me to educate you: When Jesus preaches to the crowds - He is preaching to each of us individually and collectively...
  9. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    We know this by the writings of the Early Church. Ignatius of Antioch, a student of the Apostle John spoke of the "Catholic Church" in His Letter to the Smyrnaeans - and used it as a TITLE, not a mere description. This letter was written at the beginning of the 2nd century - over 200 years...
  10. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Your limited understanding of the English language is nothing short of astounding. You're trying to make the case that the definition of the word "Pray" can only be defined as a question if the words "to ask" are in the sentence?? This is just asinine. As I schooled you earlier - the PRIMARY...
  11. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    You've shown over and over that you don't belong to Jesus- so don't bring HIM into this. You can''t reject His Church and claim to belong to Him . . .
  12. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Eastern Rites and Orthodox ROME, 21 JULY 2009 (ZENIT) Answered by Legionary of Christ Father Edward McNamara, Professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum university. The question is somewhat diverse for the case of Orthodox Churches, which are not in full communion with Rome but which enjoy...
  13. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Then why are they needed to "take" our prayers TO Him?? Can you explain that?? God can see and hear everything. The only logical explanation is that they were asked by those on earth to take our prayers to God. That's why this has been the teaching of the Church since the beginning - for 2000...
  14. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    During the Last Supper, in John 16:12-15, Jesus was instructing the LEADERS of His Church. He gave the promise that the Holy Spirit would guide the CHURCH to all truth - NOT the individual. If this were the case, you wouldn't have tens of thousands of bickering Protestant sects teaching...
  15. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    1. A person who is sick or dying - or even stranded somewhere and has no access to a Catholic Church can receive from an Orthodox Church because it is a validly consecrated Eucharist. 2. Instead of making unfounded accusation that I am "manipulating" history - why don't you SHOW me with some...
  16. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Soooooo, what's going on in Rev. 5:8??
  17. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Now, you're speaking of your own . . .
  18. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    I really don't understand this post in light of the explanation I already gave you. Everything you said (in RED) is also true for Baptism. It sets us apart and shows that we are part of the NEW Covenant. It makes us Christian. Baptism, however, washes away your sins - it doesn't simply remove...
  19. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Nope - neither are YOU.
  20. BreadOfLife

    Why water into wine?

    Refresh my memory. Can you give me the actual verses of Scripture that you falsely claim the Catholic Church removed?? I guarantee you that I can produce them from a Catholic translation of Scripture. will you then admit you made this up??