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I never said that, bearing false witness again

Nope, we see it today, the churches are dwindling because people are abondoning the faith

Prove to me those things are not true I did not just quote John as those who departed in us belief there were others prove those are not lies if you can

Yep near to being cursed. See 1 cor where we have good silver precious stones wood hay and straw. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. you still have Paul Jesus and John as liars, way to go!

Believe is Not sin you still lied

If this is true 1. They actually did know God, and a man born of God can sin, which means John lied 2. they were truly of us, again John lied 3. They had conditional life, not eternal life, Jesus lied 4. They were not sealed until the day of redemption, Paul lied 5. He who began a good work...

He never claimed any such thing, those are your words not his, you sir are a liar and bear false witness

You see he has no desire to help you

You don’t even know what we believe, you have proven that quite clearly with your own posts, so judge not lest YE be judged my friend

From the truth. cant be they fell away from salvation John said they NEVER KNEW GOD, and they have never overcome the world, through faith Jesus said whoever has faith in him HAS ETERNAL LIFE, and Paul said they who were dead in sin has been made alive in Christ, been sealed by the spirit...

If they deny Christ in unbelief then John spoke of them if they fell away because they returned to their sin (vomit). Then John said they have never seen Or known God. So either way. They never knew God

They did not stop being saved. As John said they were never if us. Never means never so yeah the answer is obvious according to the word

This person does not want to discuss the word. He filters everything through an anti OSAS filter. He said ignores everyone who will not listen to him. He basically is not trustworthy

Yet interestingly enough your gospel most resembles the Pharisee doctrine of works. again your attacking a doctrine you do not even understand

When he claims it is not that God has failed it is us, he is effect claiming it’s all up to himself, that he who began a good may not complete that work, only if we do our part. That’s not what the word says, it’s all on him, lest anyone should boast

It’s why paul considered all his suffering a momentary light affliction this life is so short compared to eternity,

If they would stop fighting a term, OSAS, I think they may be open to understanding what we really believe

He leaves the flock to go find the lost sheep. His true sheep knows his voice and follow I think people forget, God always called us sheep for a reason.

Amen we are made new creatures. Sadly all churches have dogs and swine in their congregations. When they leave. People want to say they lost their salvation. When in fact, a dog returns to his vomit and a sow wallow in the mire, they return to their true nature, which is an unborn again...

He won’t come off this. Many have tried to explain that to him here, he is hard hearted. He will not listen and he continues to bear false witness against us by say9 g we think it’s ok to sin. that’s why I stopped conversing with him after months of trying to explain to him what we really believe