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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Jeff! Welcome to the forum, my friend. I agree. Premils don't understand that Satan's binding is referenced in more than just Revelation 20, so that's a major reason why they don't understand what he is actually bound from doing.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    According to scripture, the last days had already begun on the day of Pentecost long ago and they lead up to the day Christ returns. So, why are you not keeping that in mind when interpreting this passage from Isaiah 2? Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I am not saying that being bound means nothing! I don't appreciate the way you're misrepresenting my beliefs here. In the case of those angels they are only bound from doing what that passage describes them as doing when they are loosed. There's no reason to think they are bound from doing...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You're not understanding something here. I believe that when Satan is bound he is fully bound. That isn't what we are disagreeing about. What we're really disagreeing about is what it is that he is bound from doing. I explained my belief in post #702 where I believe he is bound from preventing...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    When did I say that? I don't appreciate your attitude right now. You like to complain about the attitudes of others, but you are being very rude right now. Please read my post #702 where I explained my understanding of his binding. And my understanding is certainly not that "being bound means...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It has nothing to do with being incapacitated and not able to do anything. That's my point. I'm not sure why you have so much trouble seeing the points that I'm making. It seems like you miss the point every single time.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    They are doing the things that angels would normally be doing. Why do you want to take everything written in a highly symbolic book like Revelation so literally? And I wasn't just talking about that verse that you posted. You also posted these: 2 Timothy 2:9 KJV 9) Wherein I suffer trouble, as...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    He didn't say what you said that he did, though. If you think he did, then show me how you're coming to that conclusion. It's not as if I said what I did without knowing what he had said, so I obviously don't interpret what he said the way you do.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Can you please address what he said in his post? What are your thoughts on it? Do you understand that the word "bound" does not have to imply that whoever or whatever is bound is completely incapacitated and unable to do anything? Isaiah 56:3 Let no foreigner who is bound to the Lord say, “The...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    A king who is not reigning? I've never heard of such a thing. You can't be a king without reigning over your kingdom. That doesn't make any sense.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Yes, he is. I don't believe you know what it means for him to be bound. Can you please tell me what the difference is between what Satan was able to do in the world in Old Testament times compared to New Testament times? And, did you read 1 Peter 5:9? Because of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You often talk past people instead of to them. Please talk TO me. Please explain to me how a vase being broken into pieces correlates with your understanding of Jesus ruling over His enemies.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I stand by what I said. This kind of post where you just copied and pasted other posts is not helpful at all.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    LOL. He obviously didn't think about that before he posted.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Exactly. How can a vase being broken into pieces be compared to a shepherd shepherding his sheep as Premils do? That's ridiculous. It's clearly a picture of Him destroying His enemies, not ruling over them the way an earthly ruler does.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    That is not at all what he was saying and not at all what Amils believe. Please answer this question. What was Satan able to do in the world in Old Testament times that he has not been able to do (at least not to the same extent) in New Testament times? I'll give you a hint. Look at passages...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Good grief, man. No one is claiming that the Bible prophecies aren't talking about actual events when symbolism is used. All of it. No one is saying otherwise. Stop wasting your time arguing with a straw man. It doesn't make you look good when you have to resort to misrepresenting Amils like this.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You're saying spiritual things can't be literal? What you're really saying is one side sometimes sees things as having a spiritual reality while the other sees them as having a physical reality. Either way, they are real, literal events, though. Just because something is spiritual, such as what...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So, was Paul wrong that we need spiritual discernment to understand God's word then? It's just all spelled out for us as if we are just little children who need to be spoon fed? 1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    But, this isn't a matter of one side (Premils) saying things prophesied will happen with the other side (Amils) saying they won't happen. No. This is a matter of the two sides, Amils and Premils, disagreeing on what is figurative/symbolic and what is literal. The figurative/symbolic text...