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Thank you TL

request Please list the NT verses that teach the clouds in 1 Thess 4.17 are actually angels NONE of your verses teach that 1 Thess 4:17 clouds are angels

++++I myself should be a castaway. 1 Cr 9:26-27 Paul was concerned about being fit for MINISTRY and not losing his salvation Try again Liz List the verses where Paul teaches performance is a condition to enter Heaven :)

The voice of the archangel raised the dead and caught up the live into the clouds in 1 Thess 4.16-17 ? Keep trying Scott :)

++++You think people just fly somewhere on there own to a place they never been? As in Matt 24.31 did angels do it in 1 Thess 4.16-17, 1 Cor 15.51-51 ? If so, please list the verses :)

++++Who taught paul is the same who taught peter john etc Correct, Jesus taught His Apostles for their various audiences & ages. In Gal 2.7-9 who do you believe all the apostles agreed would teach you the gospel that saves & seals you ?

As suspected, nothing :) 1 Thess 4.16-17, 1 Cor 15.51-52 is at a different time to Matt 24.31 Glad you agree t7t7 :gd

Yes he initially did as he himself was yet later states :- 1 Cor 1.17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, Then later 1 Cor 15.1-4 makes NO MENTION of water immerse baptism as a requirement for believers to be saved & HS sealed. Who taught Paul that Gospel ? Gal 1:11-12 :)

++++Matthew 24:31KJV 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. At the same time of 1 Thess 4.16-17, 1 Cor 15.51-52 No mention of angels gathering DEAD & ALIVE believers in...

Obviously you DO reject the teachings of Paul that apply to you and that's what's wrong with you :)

Do you reject the teachings of Paul that apply to you ? Was that YES or NO ?

+++some parts of Paul's letters are hard to understand, leading untaught and unstable people to twist them to their own destruction. (martin luther) Do you claim that GOD allowed the NT to be distorted by Paul to such a degree that it would lead believers to destruction ??

Jesus VIA Paul taught how WHO ME is saved Do you reject the teachings of Paul that apply to you ?

Are you implying Paul is adding 'performance' as a condition to enter Heaven ? Let's see :- Titus 3.5-7 NOPE Gal 2.16......NOPE Rom 3.28...NOPE Eph 2.8-9...NOPE Rom 4.5......NOPE Rom 5.1......NOPE Looks like you need to study Paul :)

When you quote where Jesus VIA Paul teaches water immersion baptism as a requirement for Titus to enter Heaven then you will proven your point, till then keep flapping :)

Yet he does prove you wrong Where does the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel that Jesus taught to Paul in Gal 1.11-12 teach that water immersion baptism is required to be saved & HS sealed ? :)

++++Lets not forget the thief on the cross. Not possible for him to be water immersed baptized while hanging on the cross so not a good example

Copping out ? You claimed Paul was not baptized. Acts 9.18...and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Matt 25.43 and in prison, and ye visited me not. Are you visiting strangers in prison as commanded by Christ ?