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+++ It happens when Jesus comes. At a time AFTER 1 Thess 4.18 otherwise there would be no need to comfort one another if the earth was already new regenerated

++++Yes, situational requirement for the time. Confirms that not everything Jesus taught through His Apostles applies to everyone in every age. ++++ have done that very thing when God asked How were you asked ? ++++Today, everything in the house can go tomorrow and I couldn't care less. The...

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+++++++++I disagree. Surrendering all to Christ can be done without selling it to others The young rich ruler was told too ALL believers in Acts 2.44-45 did

So the earth was NOT new regenerated 2000 years ago between 1 Thess 4.13 to 18 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

What verses actually teach that Mary did not have normal married relations with Joseph after the birth of Christ ?

With verses, what do you believe is the condition of the earth at 1 Thess 4.17 ?

Opinion are not verses If the earth is NEW REGENERATED at the time of 1 Thess 4.17 Why are the brethren ignorant and sorrowed ? 1 Thess 4.13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not

++++Christ then returns to a new regenerated earth with the glorified saints. Is the earth new regenerated at the time of the 1 Thess 4.17 rapture ?

++++The first thing God did at the beginning was ....... Gen 1.1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

and never stops till that last breath regardless of being a Christian or otherwise.

What are the actual verses that teach the 1 Thess 4.17 cloud gathering of live & dead believers is part of the same journey down to solid earth by Jesus ?

cancerous tumors have also miraculously disappeared in unbelievers not prayed for, you can google that too if you wish. Acts 3.1-10 Adult lame from birth then get up straight away after prayed for is a miracle, please list a confirmed one in the 2000's

Does Text teach that the 1 Thess 4.17 cloud gathering of live & dead believers is part of the same journey down to solid earth by Jesus ?

++++It makes you the author of your own salvation. Not according to the teachings of Jesus through Paul 1 Cor15.1-14, Eph 1.13.

+++++Signs and wonders have not yet ceased, it just depends on who they are from... Please list a confirmed modern day occurrence of a lame from birth adult who immediately got up and walked after being prayed for.

That was a long way of confessing that you still do sin

Earlier Paul would have been able to heal Timothy's stomach but now could only offer wine. Why is that if the healing gifts had not ceased ?

++++1Thessalonians 4:17 is the rapture, removing believers from the field of the coming battle. Does that also include Adam, Eve, Abraham etc ?

Where do your verses show that 1 Thess 4.17 is simply a short stop in the clouds to collect believers before landing on solid earth ?