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    new version of OSAS?

    Yes, they can. Primarily BECAUSE, becoming saved and born again, Does not mean; you KNOW ALL THINGS. IF you did ^ (know all things)... would one say they WILL...take their child for ice-cream, take them to disneyland, tell an employer they WILL do their Best work, tell their spouse they WILL do...
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    new version of OSAS?

    Well, pretty sure Gods Word is clear...it is God Himself who freely gives His understanding of His word TO those Converted who seek it, and by obvious revealing, many men are relying on philosophies of men rather than Gods Understanding. hanging, no need. God has that resolved...Works that do...
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    No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming

    Follow the order. The Saved and Born Again ARE the Converted. The Converted ARE the members of Christ's Church. Correct, Christ's Church, the Saved, the Converted ARE NOT appointed to WRATH. Wrath is a consequence for Rejecting the Lord God....really? You are confused God should be angry and...
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    new version of OSAS?

    Read your own question. You asked for the view of a "non osas" person. That is not me.
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    new version of OSAS?

    Been there...naturally born in sin...ie Against God. Been there...forgiven of my sin of Disbelief Against God. Been there...cleansed by the Blood of Jesus. I was never, UNDER Mosaic LAW. Hebrews and Tribesmen WERE (and some still are, UNDER Mosaic LAW). Under Mosaic LAW, SIN ...Was and Is...
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    No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming

    If you require the words, "there shall be a pre-tribulation rapture"... no, those words are not in Scripture. If you comprehend... 1 Thes 5 [9] For "God hath not appointed us to wrath," but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ... I have obtained Salvation by my Lord Jesus Christ. I am...
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    No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming

    ERROR. Christ's Church ARE the SAVED. (We always get a preview, a foreshadow, of Prophecy before Prophecy's fulfillment.) As in the days of Noah, and Wrath and Tribulation and Destruction upon the Earth...the SAVED (Noah and his family were forewarned and prepared themselves according to Gods...
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    No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming

    No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming OP ^ False.
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    new version of OSAS?

    * Confess ones belief in Jesus Christ... Amen! And on the flip side...what is a confessed believer forgiven for? * The Sin against God of having NOT BELIEVED. And why, ONCE a man IS "changed" by Gods "POWER" and marvelous WORKS, the man is freed from SIN, and can SIN no more. 1 John 3:9 Can a...
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    new version of OSAS?

    You should ask one who does not believe in OSAS for their perspective. Glory to God, Taken
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    Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

    The question is WHAT, not HOW. Christian initiation...IS WHAT exactly? Christian ritual...IS WHAT exactly? Christian baptism...IS WHAT exactly?
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    Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

    Yet again you failed to answer the questions. Post # 582.
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    Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

    You did not adequately answer your "christian baptism initation ritual." You did not anwer who performs the work of justification of a faithful man. Difficult to have a conversation with you, when you cannot express what your claims mean.
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    Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

    What is "the holy church"? Where in Scripture DID Jesus establish a Title for any Disciple or Apostle or other man; of "papa", "father" or of pope (Italian for "father") Why was Peter Titled "pope", without his knowledge?
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    Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

    Vague answer. Please explain James 2: [24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. WHO is doing the WORK of Justifying? God or Man?
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    new version of OSAS?

    Cherry picking.... absolutely! All Scripture is TRUE...However NOT ALL Scripture applies to Every Person....THUS, what Applies IS Applied, what Does NOT Apply IS NOT Applied. Cherry Picking...modern term. Scripture Term...Dividing the Word of Truth. 2 Tim 2: [15] Study to shew thyself approved...
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    new version of OSAS?

    God GIVES A TASTE OF HIS Gift of Faith ... "FOR" HEARING HIS WORD. THE LISTENER, CAN taste His Word, Believe it, and Eat it, Hunger for more of His Word, or reject it. ^ THAT is NOT receiving Salvation. ^ THAT IS receiving a measure (TASTE) of Gods Word. Should a man INCREASE Hearing Gods...
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    new version of OSAS?

    Never heard of your "new version of OSAS". Where did you come up with this...---->?
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    Saved By Grace Through FAITH ...

    Already went over the Order of Baptism. * What are you calling the "real baptism" ? Already went over Faith of a man and Works of God, God performs IN a man, who Confesses his faith. Glory to God, Taken