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  1. Matthias

    Moses As Author Of The Torah/pentateuch

    What do you say?
  2. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    I will post this just as an aside: human life begins at conception. Abortion of a child in the womb is the taking / ending / destruction of a human life. A human person living in the womb of his or her mother is killed. I stand unequivocally against abortion for any reason.
  3. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    What you’ve described is reminiscent of the demigods of Greek mythology. In Jewish monotheism, God doesn’t breed. Using your human analogy, it is the woman, a mother who conceives; it is the man, a father, who begets. When a father begets a child the mother conceives the child. A person who...
  4. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    The first translation of John’s prologue that you presented me with has ”he”. The translation I presented of John’s prologue for your consideration has “it”. We agree that a person is not an it. A question that you might ask me is how I harmonize the “he” in your translation with the “it“ in my...
  5. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    I see that I need to clarify my position: They didn’t have to leave the Jewish faith. They didn’t leave the Jewish faith. They eventually had to leave the synagogues. Where I can agree with your point is that Christianity later did leave the Jewish faith. Christianity began as a sect of...
  6. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    I believe Jesus is God, figuratively, not literally. Check and check. I’ve agreed with that. Jesus told his fellow Jewish monotheists that they believe in God. He commanded them to believe also in him. Right? I’m a Jewish monotheist. I believe in God. I believe also in Jesus Christ. That...
  7. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    Only for the purposes of discussion. I can agree with the Apostles’ Creed. The point seems to be that it doesn’t really matter if I can or not in regard to whether or not I’m a Christian. That interests me. With him in mind. *** A person is not an it. *** Jesus speaks about the last...
  8. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    Okay. Neither one of us wants that to happen. That’s fine. I understand where you’re coming from. You won’t have to spell it out for me.
  9. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    Different words aren’t needed to say the same thing. You and I are not stating exactly the same idea. I think we could find out if you removed certain words from your vocabulary. I can agree with those examples. They come from tradition. The logos - it, not he - did become flesh. The...
  10. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    No. They aren’t a Bible. Yes, you have. I agree with “through him” not “by him”. I’m not here discussing the Nicene Creed. The key word, and difference in the translations, is “it”. Okay. When did Jesus speak them?
  11. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    “The Apostles’ Creed is the oldest statement of faith in the Christian Church, written some time in the second century AD. The creed defines core Christian beliefs about God, Jesus, the church, salvation, and other theological topics.” https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/apostles-creed So this...
  12. Matthias

    Moses As Author Of The Torah/pentateuch

    Do you not think Moses is real? Do you not think that Jesus thought Moses is real?
  13. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    Thanks. I’m taking the creed simply as written and was able to agree with this phrase as far as it goes. To borrow your phrase, I agree with the overview. I agree with that. Yes. What, though, if we don’t? If you were simply to ask me if I agree with the Apostles’ Creed, and if I were...
  14. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    Thank you. I didn’t take that approach with the student (I wish in hindsight that I had) but I agree that this would have been helpful to him and that it should be helpful to others like him who may be struggling with the reliability of the Bible.
  15. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    I’m going to go ahead, slowly, to the next phrase. If you have more that you would like to say about this phrase, please feel free. I believe this phrase of the creed wholeheartedly. I believe also in Jesus Christ, his [referring to God, the Father almighty, from the opening phrase] only Son...
  16. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    Yes. I’m thinking here about 1 Timothy 2:5. “For there is one God,…” Who is this one God? I understand him to be the Father. In fact, the God and Father of the Messiah. “… and one mediator also between God and men, …” Is “God“ anyone other than the one God? I don’t think so. ”… the man…”...
  17. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    Primitive Christians didn’t use your terminology. As you said, your terminology had to be invented later. If we confine ourselves to the terminology which the primitive Christians used our conversation will sound like their conversation do. If we don’t, then our conversation will sound very...
  18. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    I agree. The Apostles’ Creed explicitly identifies one person, the Father, as the creator of the heavens and the earth. It was enough for the author of the that creed. It is enough for me. It is a statement that every Jewish monotheist can readily affirm, whether the Jewish monotheist believes...
  19. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    No doubt that’s true. The terminology of the Bible remains sufficient for me, just as it was for those who lived in biblical times. I’m a primitive Christian, a first century Christian, living in the twenty-first century. You’ll have to remember my frame. I believe in the incarnation of God’s...
  20. Matthias

    The curious case of John 5:4

    I believe the beginning of the Apostles’ Creed is what the NT teaches. Yes. Thanks.