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“A birth that never took place” contradicts the birth narratives in Matthew 1 and Luke 1. If you have knowledge of Koine Greek then why are you asking me a question about Greek grammar?

Speaking of Dr. Wuest, ”Jesus is God only begotten, proceeding by eternal generation from the Father in a birth that never took place because it always was.” (Kenneth Wuest, Great Truths To Live By, p. 30) How well do you think that observation fits with what we see in scripture?

No. A few acquaintances.

Yes. Are you familiar with Messianic Judaism?

Can we? I don’t have an issue with it but you have to keep in mind that I’m an ex-trinitarian. [I was raised Protestant (Southern Baptist). I married a Roman Catholic. From time to time I go to church, funerals and weddings with Roman Catholic and Protestant family members, friends and...

Yes, and I’m keenly interested in all of those things. As you know, I am, among other things, a retired Christian pastor and college adjunct theology professor. Why do I “harp” about the Trinity? That’s an unusual thing for a trinitarian to say. Even so, (1) I meet people where they are; and...

Hi Pierac. I don’t know if Johann will answer or not, and I don’t speak for him. Peter calls Jesus a man in this passage. I’ve spoken with thousands upon thousands of trinitarians over the years and have yet to meet one who has said otherwise. Maybe one day I will. I’m interested in learning...

“...it’s own conception of the Trinity was looked upon by the Fathers themselves as a combination of Jewish monotheism and pagan polytheism, except that to them this combination was a good combination; in fact, it was to them an ideal combination of what is best in Jewish monotheism and of what...

My conversation was with someone who is telling me that the God of Jesus is the Trinity. He’s mistaken - not because I say he is; because Jesus says he is. Jesus is God. The question is how he is God. The answer is found within his own Jewish monotheism, which was destroyed by trinitarianism...

You can have faith that the God of Jesus is the Trinity but Jesus said his God is the Father.

I can talk with people of all faiths. If you can, then yes. You and I don’t agree. I’m not looking to walk with you; I’m looking to have a conversation with you.

When you tell me that the God of Jesus is the Trinity are you being sanctimonious? I don’t think so. Me stating that Jesus is a Jew and that his God is the Father, not the Trinity, isn’t sanctimonious. It’s simply a statement of verifiable fact.

I’m persuaded by Jesus and he is a Jew, not a trinitarian. It’s his fundamental core doctrine which is bedrock.

No, but I am in agreement with what the Catholic writer I quoted said. “No more than the Old Testament writers do the New Testament writers set forth a systematic doctrine about God. For them, too, there is only one God, the creator and lord of the universe; and He is the the God of Abraham...

”Many of the sacred writers spoke of a Messiah who was to be Yahweh’s agent in establishing the kingdom of Yahweh in the messianic age. However, they regarded the Messiah not as a divine person but as a creature, a charismatic leader, a Davidic king. Thus the Old Testament writings about God...

Jesus stated explicitly who his God and the God of his disciples is. Certainly we can agree to disagree. I haven’t been able to persuade you that Jesus isn’t a trinitarian and you haven’t been able to persuade me that the Trinity is his God.

Jesus is a Jew / even the Jew, if you will - a “non-Trinnie,” to use your nomenclature. His God is the God of the Jews, not the God of the “Trinnies”. To put it simply, the God of Jesus is only one person, the Father. Jesus isn’t a trinitarian; Jesus is a unitarian.

The God of the Jew isn’t the Trinity.

They aren’t one and the same. Have both.

Jesus is a Jew.