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Can someone explain pre-tb with 2Thess 2:1-4 ? Or can you explain it with Job 14:12 ? Or 2 Timothy 4:1 ? Or Isaiah 25:6-10 ? Or Acts 3:21 ? Or can you show me the last trump pre Ch 4? And how there exists 7 more beyond the last? Or can you explain to me the meaning of protos and how the first...

The rapture is not our blessed hope. Christ manifestation is our blessed hope. epipháneia (from 1909 /epí, "on, fitting," which intensifies 5316 /phaínō, "show forth, appear") – properly, a fitting manifestation (literally, "an epiphany") It is found only 6 times in scripture. 2 Tim 4:1 I...

What is holding up the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto him? 2 Thess 2:1-3 3-For that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition That is what is holding it up. The apostasy and the man of sin...

Ronald, Let me repost the most important part first. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: If I were to say, Ronald, after Tuesday I'll be on my Day off. Would that mean I'd be off on Wednesday or Tuesday? Or if I'd say, after 2 weeks, and I'll...

Ronald, What does Daniel say? Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times...

Hello Behold. I'd like to respond to your statement as I've heard this many times from those that believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. Why would Christians be on earth during the seals or the trumpets? It sounds terrible, so why put us through it? One poster already responded the Israelites...

Did you read 2 Thess 2? Paul tells you what the restrainer is. And now you know what restrains till he is removed. The HS is never removed. It’s the down payment till the purchased possession. Our gathering together unto Christ cannot happen till there is a falling away first and the man of sin...

Nancy, That is something I struggle with. Explaining that to someone that believes in Pre-TB and doesn’t personally know you, most times it’ll fall on deaf ears. It’s the ones we know we can talk to. I don’t want my brothers/sisters in Christ to be deceived. There are some I personally know...

But you said the bottomless pit is literal. If it’s literal, they key has to be literal. You cannot just decide on your own what’s symbolic vs what’s literal. If the pit is literal, the key is too. Otherwise none of it is literal, but all spiritual and only the spiritually discerned can understand.

Wait, the bottomless pit is literal? Than is the key to open it literal? Sounds like that tv show with the 2 brothers on SciFi network. That would mean the locusts that have women like hair are literal too. We just entered the twilight zone.

You can interpret anyway you like. As long as it’s with love per Christ command.

When pride buds, it’s better to flee. Those that identify as Premil possibly number in the millions and yet because only a few want to discuss this with you, you count that as a “watertight” Amil position? Or perhaps the few arguing with you are not trained debaters or may not even be active...

It’s my opinion although Jerusalem pre 70AD was spiritually Babylon, the Babylon in Revelation is related with the church in some way and not the Jews. I see a rude awakening with those that identify as Christian’s. They’re going to realize their faith is dead and the life they live is worldly...

I feel like you’re taking that verse out of context and putting it where you like it.

Oh boy!

To add to the subject? It’s too contentious. My prayer is that we all strive daily to be more Christ like.

There is enough scripture that refutes Pre-TB if you know where to look. I think some in Pre-TB believe it because their church family believes it. And that family are true believers, full of love and grace. It’s hard to look a them and say they got it all wrong. They are good people. My...

I’m sorry for your loss.

If it had taken place, than the resurrection has taken place as well. Obviously, that is untrue.

Could it happen? Of course. I think any logical person would have to agree, anything is possible. Does it have to happen in order to fulfill scripture? This is where I believe it does not. The last standing temple was polluted with the Jews abominations. It was said, their temple was left to...