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I get your passion about this, but I’ve told you that I spent decades in OSAS churches, and what you are saying is different thananything I’ve personally heard… I’ve been hearing OSAS for 35 years, but I’ve never heard what you’re saying. Do you have a specific source(s) for the teaching to...

I see that our differences evidently lie in our individual interpretations of “politics.” The politics I’m speaking of are manipulative strategies that have no place in a nation claiming to be ruled by God. Not the same “politics” that you found in Israel’s Theocracy.

So, you’re just here to argue, yes? You say this post is about “why” this is taught, yet you’re only answer is an emotionally charged list of accusations and insults. Be honest- whats your real goal here. Please, just be honest.

It's not a religion, its a doctrine of some Christian denominations. In the past, I've attended churches that believed that, but they only preached that asking for salvation is done once, (no requirement to continually ask for it.) They strongly preach that you must ask for forgiveness each time...

Politics, natural to Israel? I'm sorry, can't imagine why you would say that. The only thing natural to Israel was idolatry. As far as a Christian country... It's a nice thought.

Oh darn, you started a new point. The word "nation" in your translation is the Greek word, "ethnos." At best, it means tribe. A nation has a political structure. God has never given Christians a pattern for politics.Yes, I know ethnos is normally translated as nation, but it does not imply...

Wow! Such wisdom... "Nor did he say not to." Gen 11:4 is an example of "He didn't say we couldn't..." I'm just messing with you. Yes, a Christian nation would be ideal, but can it truly be "christian" if it offers religious freedom? If you say it needs to be a Christian nation, there has to...

I think when the Right attached God to politics, we all decided to let "Christian" politics define our identity as a nation. That's not what God told us to do. He never said, "make a Christian nation..." He did tell us, how, to "make disciples in all nations." I think when we do what we said...

Wait until people all over are waiting in line for six hours to buy a loaf of stale bread for $70 to feed their family for a week... That's famine, but even that is not necessarily a sign from Revelation 6. In either case, it's going to be a hard and sad struggle for so many.

This isn't on God. He never instructed us to divide into doctrinal groups. Now everyone wants to be like CT Russel and start their own religion. Our Father is always directing us, always speaking to us, but we've essentially been taught that God doesn't speak anymore and that He is...

Gotcha, thanks. I thought that might have been the point you were trying to make, but wasn't clear on your views.

It's sad to see people hurt, but more so at the hands of those who are supposed to build you up. I can't imagine the ongoing frustration you feel. I once met with church leadership about starting a family-integrated Sunday school "option" to develop stronger families, it was immediately rejected...

A fan of Rich Mullins once commented that he really felt the spirit move (during the concert), to which Rich replied, "How could you, with all that noise in there?" Referring to his own music. I revisited a church I'd once attended for a few years, but to my shock, the choir and orchestra were...

I couldn't help but notice your reply immediately opened with Revelation 12. The OP was expressing concern about how churches seem to be hyper focused on some people while neglecting others. I'm stuck on how your reply is intended to help. Please forgive my not being able to catch on, I'm sure...

Correct. I am one such human being.

Hi, I hope you don’t mind the intrusion. The word “vanity” in Ecclesiastes is mistranslated. The word should be “emptiness” or near that. When I translate, I try to make myself aware of “semantic drift,” which is the gradual change of the meaning of a word by a particular culture(s) over a long...

Oh, I’m fine, thanks. Not offended or angry. I just made a decision not to respond to something I felt uncomfortable with. He apologized, that was noble. I’m good, just needing interaction at a different level.

That was between me and someone else. He opened with two comments that were intended to make fun of my knowledge of scripture, but were actually the same insults I've heard from atheists and JWs. He followed his opening "jokes" with the assurance that he is "open minded." (Did you catch the...

I certainly agree. We should all be here to support each other and practice the love we have for one another.

I was taught the same, and even taught others. I had aspired to write a book that presented the doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture in a way that would hold up against any debate. I found that my beliefs had been based on the words of preachers and teachers, not the Word of God. I don't...