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Why would you put in the quote from me when I was not referring to you? I was answering a statement directed to me that a person should not be excluded based on eschatology. The rancor shown on this forum toward those who hold different eschatology would result in exclusion. You are talking...

What gave you the idea that I am resentful of anything? I said that the rancor expressed in this forum will not allow church unity.

I appreciate your sentiments, but I think that the rancor expressed in this forum would not allow inclusion in the same church.

Look, this is what is causing these differing views. We should not be looking at similar things that happen and matching things together on that basis and on the basis of how the scheme fits your theology or how reasonable something sounds. Instead, we should be matching things based on direct...

"IMO The end of Rev 11 and the part of Matt 24 are the same timeframe when the second coming happens, and the rapture/gathering." I can understand why a person might think this, as we see a trumpet and a powerful presence of the Lord in both, and also in the description of the rapture in 1...

I grew up hearing the pre-trib rapture taught everywhere, in church, on Christian radio, in popular Christian books and movies. At the same time my father was expressing his belief that the rapture would be post-trib. I could see his points, but I could not seem to refute the pre-trib arguments...

Something that I have noticed is that I used to get mad when I got challenged on a belief. Then I saw it: A clear system that emerged from the plain reading of scripture. All my doubts melted away because there were no more problem verses that seemed to contradict, or even challenge, my new...

Right. The fact that God is to make the way tells us that we should not place limits on what the way of escape might be.

You WOULD be right IF the rapture is the only neans of escape. Another means of escape COULD BE death (Isaiah 57:1). Another means could be obeying Jesus' exhortations to flee (Matthew 24:16, Luke 17:31). Another means could be shelter in the 3/4 of the earth where the beast cannot kill. (Rev 6:8)

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 make a pre-trib rapture impossible. It pinpoints a specific aspect of the Coming of Jesus, his manifestation, as the time of the ceasing of tribulation from the troublers of the church (v. 1:1) and the beginning of tribulation from God on those troublers. The tribulation...

I believe in the post-trib rapture and I pray that.

Yes, I am aware of that suggestion, but it cannot be true because there is no salvation without the cross. The cross was established from the foundation of the world (Rev 3:8) not a plan B response.

The kingdom of God already existed before Jesus was born, so that the New Testament speaks of the kingdom coming, seeing the kingdom, or entering the kingdom, but never of the kingdom beginning. I believe that the kingdom of God began with the creation of man, but the exact time is not crucial...

You said that when you said that the kingdom began at that time. An incomplete kingdom of God is not God's kingdom. Jesus explained why he was weeping, which included the unbelief of those who rejected Him, but also included the enemies coming to destroy them. Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3...

I do not disagree with post 317, therefore I am not trying to disprove it. What I disagree with is that you want to say that the things of post 317 are the total of the kingdom of God. Daniel 2 says that the kingdom of God will take over the whole world. That has not happened yet. You still have...

When Jesus spoke that Judas was at hand, Judas was coming, not was at Jesus' location. In Ezekiel 12, "at hand" also does not mean that the days had arrived, but would be in their days. Your claims of who the iron and the clay are not from the text. You are still not responding to Jesus'...

"At hand" in scripture or its verb form (Strong's #1451, 1448) NEVER means already presently in place. It ALWAYS is translated in the KJV as nigh, ready, approach, or come near, or similar wordings. Neither does "among you" mean that the kingdom has started. Do not invent things. Stick with what...

"At hand" does not mean that it started then. It means that it was ready to start. When the people rejected the kingdom of God, Jesus told them in Luke 19 that their house was left desolate. The kingdom of God will be fulfilled and there will not be a desolate house in it.

Hi, Douggg, good to catch up with you again. The toes of the image are still to take form. They are not the European nations. A key point is the identity of the legs. The fourth kingdom is not identified in any place in Daniel, nor any place in the Bible, for that matter. We are told that Rome...