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  1. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Aspen 1 Peter 1:19 What made Jesus blood different to ours? One would need leave the Bible and all common sense to start scuh a study. Are you going to answer the question? Are the words immortal soul found in the Bible?
  2. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Hey Aspen Try not to copy links into the post I like the reftags you need to remove the link first before pasting. Please "try" not to twist my words...I am not a smart man, nor do I consider myself very intelligent. You know I don’t believe Jesus in “mind” was a sinner. I have stated this...
  3. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    I am not interest at all in your own words...surely you must understand that by now. Show me from the Bible 2 Tim 3:16 the teaching of the immortal soup from the foundation book of Genisis Chapters 1-3 Dont give us church dogmas provided real living words (verses) you know the inspired Word...
  4. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    It has been amusing to watch some endeavour to work out my denomination. This also took place with the Lord and his teaching, a result of John 7:46. However, they concluded he was just the son of a carpenter Matt 13:55. While I am not professing to be like Jesus in speech or authority, I also...
  5. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Aspen, It concerns me greatly that you desire to compare the Apostle Peter with Greek Philosophers who lived 300 years after the true gospel was preached. You want me to deal with mystic teachings of souls and cosmic forces? The Apostle Peter did not believe in the “high origins” of...
  6. Alethos

    For as were the days of Noah...

    We are told there will be eating, drinking marrying and giving in marriage prior to the Lords coming. In Titus 3:3 we are warned against some of these events. Church leaders should not indulge excessively in strong drink. For those who have experienced alcohol know it relaxes the inhibitions...
  7. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Robbie have you looked at Eph 2:16? How do you see this verse compared with Gen 3:15? Alethos ps I think your post was the most accurate reflection of this discussion thus far...its deteriorated hasnt it?
  8. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Jude 1:16 2 Peter 3:3 1 John 2:16 all these are found from the flesh and they will war against your life, body, flesh, mind, members Rom 6:13 etc but no immortal soul Aspen. You are an animal with a conscience Aspen and while you might believe you have this immortal substance in you, however...
  9. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    All that Scripture and all you give is “garbage”! Acts 2:24 must have hurt for you to react so passionately - but thankyou for putting forward Scriptures...now we must provide an answer to them :rolleyes:
  10. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. "having loosed" Something was holding onto Jesus or restraining him while in the grave? Mortality you think? Flesh and Blood you think? Death condemnation you...
  11. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Hey Robbie, and if you dug a little in the the record you would see how in overcoming his nature he also overcame yours. Good summary though! Alethos
  12. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Back on topic. Was God just in appointing “death” as the means of redemption? Yes, for it is flesh that sins and the lusts of the flesh must be put to death if God is to triumph in our lives. Paul speaks of himself in terms of daily crucifixion (Gal. 2:20; 6:14; 1 Cor. 15:31), by which he...
  13. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Nice summary Aspen. I like how you interchange soul and spirit to suit your position. Whether you agree or not your belief is closer to Plato's soulism philosophies than you would like to admit. Plato believed a human person is both body and soul. The body is the physical flesh-and-blood...
  14. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    The “idea” that the righteous who are dead or alive suddenly spring into a state of incorruption is often construed by this passage. I think this is one such example where context is essential! Do you believe the change to spiritual nature occurs before appearing the presence of Christ, if...
  15. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    I assume you believe we have in us something immortal? If so, I suggest you study the word soul and its application in Scripture. 1 Cor 15:53 we must be "clothed" its put on from external not within us! Alethos
  16. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Aspen I appreciate your position is one of status quo, but I feel you are yet to consider the eternal riches stored in the nature of Christ...I understand you accept Christian thought as revealed by Church Forefathers who for the most learnt from Plato and his cronies. I am asking you to...
  17. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Aspen, thankyou for providing some moderation guidelines. Can you further explain what you mean by "soul" I believe our mortal bodies will be "clothed" or changed to a new Spirit Body. At some stage please revisit your thoughts on Jesus being redeemed. Heb 13:20 Phil 2:8 Heb 9:12 Jesus...
  18. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Aspen, I am a sinner...look past the person who is fallible and see the message.
  19. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    Aspen, do you agree with all the above?
  20. Alethos

    Did Jesus need a redeemer? Or was He The Redeemer?

    So you are saying that Jesus never really died. Sounds like the serpent in the Garden and how wrong was he and A&E. You have believed in the same lie. Thanks Aspen...it appears some here would benefit from Paul instruction in Heb 5:12. Certianly many here are avoiding the questions being...