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Regarding the subjective part of atonement, the forgiveness of sin is who is eligible. It has nothing to do with the atonement itself. Christ's atonement was to God, not man. Let's take a severe example to show what I am asking. Even if not a single person ever believed, and asked for the...

You are not describing limited atonement either. For whom it was meant does not limit the atonement itself. Christ was reconciling the world back to God. There is no mention of any individuals being reconciled. Heb 2:14-16 states clearly that Christ came to defeat Satan who held the power of...

I have a question for either of you. In my discourse with Brightfame52 he never could answer just how Christ's atonement could be limited. This discussion has been long but no one seems to understand how it could be limited. They use the term but never define it.

Here is another chance for you to explain the theology you have on how does one limit a death?

Heb 2:14-18 sums it up quite nicely. Other short answers could be Heb 2:9. or I John 2:2.

Yes, and the parable is one of the best examples of believers who walked away. Two examples of falling away, the first where the birds got the seed, it NEVER TOOK ROOT. Meaning the other two did take root, but the cares, tribulations, trials of life drew them away.

And who is giving the promise? rhetorical question. God is giving this promise. We are in a mutual relationship. Can you find a promise of man in scripture that he will never leave Christ? Our problem is not God. He keeps His promises, the issue man cannot. That is why we have all the...

I find it amazing that so many are not consistent with their theology. We have a statement above that God is a liar if He is unable to keep someone saved. Of course, first no one has been saved in their lifetimes. However, God chose not to keep Adam from falling. Why do you think that He has...

This is NOT limited atonement. This is the application of atonement. Only believers made the atonement available to/for them. It is there for the taking. God calls, we answer. He NEVER choses who we will believe. Christ defeated death just so God could call all men to repentance. He...

This says nothing about eternal security, but everything about assurance. It even states a believer is heir to salvation, not that it was guaranteed to him in his lifetime.

So, instead of defending or proving a believer has salvation, you do what most do is speak about assurance. There is a vast difference between the two. The former no one has, the latter, every believing person has it, or at least should.

Typical response of someone who has no answer. Ad hominins.

I have agreed with some of what you have stated to date. However, no one has yet shown that any believer is a saved person. That one has salvation and could lose it. It is impossible to lose one's salvation because you can only inherit it after you have died. I Pet 1:3-5 is the clearest text...

Yes, commentary based on 2000 years of consistent teaching of the Truth of scripture. You really don't know what you are saying. You give credence to two teachings that have opposite views based on scripture, then say scripture does not contradict. You are correct scripture has never...

Scripture is what men want it to say for their own purposes. Every false teaching that has to date been promulgated has been based on scripture. Here are some that arose during the first 5 centuries. Paul even stated that many false teachers would arise and lead man away from the once given...

Don't need to. He is a Calvinist with a twist on missions. Just another man who likes his own theory better. Still modern 250 years ago. Hardly the Gospel once given. He does not portray Christ as the Savior of the world. Very simple.

You can get as many Calvinists to support your view, but each is as vacuous as the next. They have no understanding of God as well, let alone atonement. You and they have no definition of atonement. You conflate atonement with how God would use the atonement. The atonement was not made by...

He didn't nail any sins to the Cross. His shed blood was the propitiation of all the sins of the world. When believers confess their sins, Christ as our High Priest forgives those sins. They are gone. The only thing(person) nailed to the Cross was Christ. Could you actually explain how one...

which were the sins of the world. I John 2:2

He tasted death for all to defeat death, so He could have saints. Without defeating death, there will be no saints.