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The Lord Jesus only came to save Gods elect, He left the rest in their condemned dead sate. They are sealed for hell.
John 12:32
New Living Translation
And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”

Romans 5:18
Berean Standard Bible
So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.
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Then you list many scriptures #4,709, I think the scriptures are great, but do they explain the comment you made? I cannot find the specific words to justify your comment.

Could you please highlight the words in each scripture that justify your comment.
The Lord Jesus only came to save Gods elect, He left the rest in their condemned dead sate. They are sealed for hell.
 

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in Luke 13:24, He knows that only the elect will respond in faith to His exhortation.
Luke 13:24
Berean Standard Bible
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able.



The written word says "Make every effort" to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able.

Where does it say only the elect will respond?

It sounds like we should "Make every effort" to enter through the narrow door. Isn't this message for everyone?

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Luke 13:3
New International Version
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Matthew 9:13
New King James Version
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

2 Peter 3:9
Christian Standard Bible
The Lord does not delay his promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance.

Question: Shouldn't we let the actual words in the Bible do all the explaining about Everlasting life? Or do we need to add details?

Sure I think it's good to voice our own personal comments, but shouldn't the Ultimate Source of our comments be from the actual words in the Bible?
 
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Thank you for confirming what I already suspected, you have put your faith in sinners like Athanasius the Great, instead of the Lord Jesus.

and thank you for revealing that your theology is based on the opinions of those who conjured up "the Synod of Jerusalem". All of this reveals that you're a follower of men instead of God. God said "the man who trusts man, is cursed" so yeah what can I say, you've cooked your own goose. :jest:
Your arrogance and ignorance is manifest.
It is very obvious you cannot even support your own interpretations so you fall back on all of these innuendos and false assumptions so you don't need to actually discuss one's understanding of scripture. Sadly, looking back on your other posts with other posters this seems to be a consistent practice.
 
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C.S. what gospel do you follow? can you explain in one or 2 lines to let me know what are the main points of the gospel you follow, it would help me understand.

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There is no gospel in the reformed faith.
No need for one.
God will be doing all the choosing - not the person.
So what could there possibly be for a gospel that would bring them to salvation?
 

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Hello! IMHO having an attitude of gratitude, for what the Lord has already done for us, is a powerful motivation to serve the Lord

Colossians 3:17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Salvation is the gift of God, gratitude for the gift we have already been given is a powerful motivator. God Bless You All :smiley:
Yes.
Salvation is a gift and is to be treasured and taken care of.
We can know right now, at this moment, that we are saved.
There is no way to be sure that we will be saved at the time of our death.
 
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Salvation, or eternal life, is a free gift from God, made possible through the sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Hebrews 5:9, which says Jesus "became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey him," highlighting that while salvation is God's free gift (Ephesians 2:8-9), it's accessed through faith and a life of following Jesus's commands—His "obedience of faith," not earning salvation, but demonstrating a transformed life resulting from receiving the gift.
 
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It was your post #4,566
In that post I asked you :-
""List the verses from Paul that :-
He was worried about losing his Salvation.
A Saint today can become UNsaved :)""
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No diversions just list the verses from Paul that answers those 2 simple questions.
 

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It is not a private opinion, and I understand that you may not change your mind. What matters is what Jesus Himself said and is the truth as always.

In John 10, Jesus shows that belonging to Him is not a label, but a living relationship. The sheep are not chosen because they claim His name, but because they hear His voice and follow Him. This is how He defines His flock.

Jesus says, “The sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out” (John 10:3). The shepherd leads, and the sheep move. A sheep that stops following is no longer walking with the shepherd.

He also says, “The sheep follow him, for they know his voice” (John 10:4). Following is active. It is not something that happened once in the past. It is something that continues.

Jesus then gives a warning. “They will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him” (John 10:5). This means His sheep are careful. They do not listen to other voices that go against His teaching.

When Jesus says, “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved” (John 10:9), He is not saying the door removes the path. A door is the entrance. After entering, the sheep must still walk with the shepherd.

Jesus explains what false security looks like by contrast. The hireling runs when danger comes because he does not care for the sheep (John 10:12–13). This shows that danger is real, and remaining with the shepherd matters.

Then Jesus says something very important. “I know My sheep, and am known by My own” (John 10:14). Knowing goes both ways. The sheep know Him, not just facts about Him, but His voice and His ways.

Finally, Jesus shows that obedience and listening are central. “They will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16). Hearing His voice is what unites the flock.

This matches everything else Jesus taught. He said, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). And He warned, “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13).

So John 10 does not teach careless security. It teaches closeness, listening, following, and staying with the shepherd. The safety of the sheep is found in staying near His voice.

If you do follow Jesus voice and only his voice and obey his instruction you will be fine.


JOHN 10:1-18 (NKJV)

I Am the Good Shepherd​

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.

Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”

“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.”

“I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.”


“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

Blessings.
All of that is based on your private (saved by works) version of the gospel, and Jesus never taught that perverted version. If you care to listen to His voice, you would find He preached the (saved by grace) gospel.

I don't expect you to admitt that you follow the (saved by works) version of the gospel, which Jacom Arminius invented back in the 16th century. I've never meet an Arminian who adimts that they follow him, all Arminians live in denial of the facts.

You reckon salvations comes by keeping the commandments/law, bu the Lord Jesus never ever taught any such doctrine. He taught the opposite, He taught the "saved by grace" gospel, where God saved His elect before the earth was created. He wrote the names of every single one of His elect, in His book of life.
No names can be added or removed, so that blows your (saved by works) theory right out of the water.

Your theology is inconsistent with the Bible, you can quote as many verses as you like, but they are all useless if they are not properly interprited. Iget you believe in your theology, and it may make sense in your mind. But remember there are 49,000 Christian denimnations interpriting the Bible, in a way that they see fit.

Everyone will find out if their interpritation was correct on judgement day, until then we will all disagree with each other on just about every singe verse of scripture.
 
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All of that is based on your private (saved by works) version of the gospel, and Jesus never taught that perverted version. If you care to listen to His voice, you would find He preached the (saved by grace) gospel.

I don't expect you to admitt that you follow the (saved by works) version of the gospel, which Jacom Arminius invented back in the 16th century. I've never meet an Arminian who adimts that they follow him, all Arminians live in denial of the facts.

You reckon salvations comes by keeping the commandments/law, bu the Lord Jesus never ever taught any such doctrine. He taught the opposite, He taught the "saved by grace" gospel, where God saved His elect before the earth was created. He wrote the names of every single one of His elect, in His book of life.
No names can be added or removed, so that blows your (saved by works) theory right out of the water.

Your theology is inconsistent with the Bible, you can quote as many verses as you like, but they are all useless if they are not properly interprited. Iget you believe in your theology, and it may make sense in your mind. But remember there are 49,000 Christian denimnations interpriting the Bible, in a way that they see fit.

Everyone will find out if their interpritation was correct on judgement day, until then we will all disagree with each other on just about every singe verse of scripture.

Christ through Paul teaches how we are saved :)
Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 Sealed/saved/justified.
Conditions:-
Titus 3:5
Gal 2:16
Eph 2:8-9
Rom 3:21,24-28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
 

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C.S. what gospel do you follow? can you explain in one or 2 lines to let me know what are the main points of the gospel you follow, it would help me understand.

Cheers
I follow the gospel of the Lord Jesus. The main point is that thge Lord Jesus came to save those that the Father gave Him to save (the elect of God). So He saves every one of the elect of God, who were all chosen before the earth was created. Nobody's name can be added to His book and nobody's name can be removed.

So, salvation is of the Lord. It has nothiung to doi with whart you choose or reject. Our choice and free will are illusions, they don't exist because we are all born dead in sin, as such we are slaves to sin and satan, and there is no freedom aor choice available to satans prisoners.

The only thing we can do is evil continuisly, and we remain dead in our sin for all eternity if God didn't choose to save us before He created the world.
 

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I follow the gospel of the Lord Jesus. The main point is that thge Lord Jesus came to save those that the Father gave Him to save (the elect of God). So He saves every one of the elect of God, who were all chosen before the earth was created. Nobody's name can be added to His book and nobody's name can be removed.

So, salvation is of the Lord. It has nothiung to doi with whart you choose or reject. Our choice and free will are illusions, they don't exist because we are all born dead in sin, as such we are slaves to sin and satan, and there is no freedom aor choice available to satans prisoners.

The only thing we can do is evil continuisly, and we remain dead in our sin for all eternity if God didn't choose to save us before He created the world.
In advance GOD purposely chooses who goes to hell ?
Even though He desires all to be saved - 1 Tim 2:4
How does that work ?
 

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John 12:32
New Living Translation
And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”

Romans 5:18
Berean Standard Bible
So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.
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Then you list many scriptures #4,709, I think the scriptures are great, but do they explain the comment you made? I cannot find the specific words to justify your comment.

Could you please highlight the words in each scripture that justify your comment.
You keep on cornering me and forcing me to either believe in your opinion or Gods Word, as your opinion is opposed to Gods Word and if I was to believe in your opinion, then that would make God a liar.

Your interpritation of John 12:32 dictates that the Lord Jesus must be drawing everyone to Himself. But the awful thruth is, we find Him casting most of mankind into hell.
So according to you He is drawing them to Himself in order to catch them and throw them into the lake of fire, like some kind of sadistic hunter who luers His victims into His trap, so He can torment them in hellfire for all eternity.

I don't believe in your version of Jesus, because I know the Lord Jesus is not evil.

Yes Romans 5:18 does confirm that the Lord Jesus didn't come to save the Jews only, but
"all men" why do you have a problem with the Lord saving Gentiles from all over the world. Do you think He should have only saved the jews.

I don't know what part you failed to understand post 4,079 It was all clear and simple as far as I can tell.
 

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Luke 13:24
Berean Standard Bible
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able.



The written word says "Make every effort" to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able.

Where does it say only the elect will respond?

It sounds like we should "Make every effort" to enter through the narrow door. Isn't this message for everyone?

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Luke 13:3
New International Version
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Matthew 9:13
New King James Version
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

2 Peter 3:9
Christian Standard Bible
The Lord does not delay his promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance.

Question: Shouldn't we let the actual words in the Bible do all the explaining about Everlasting life? Or do we need to add details?

Sure I think it's good to voice our own personal comments, but shouldn't the Ultimate Source of our comments be from the actual words in the Bible?
The problem with "letting the actual words in the bible do all the explaining", is you end up with 49,000 different interpritations of what the words are saying. So figuring out which if any are corrwect is liek trying to win the lottery.

Now for the awful truth, Gods elect don't need to know anything about the bible to be saved. They are saved regardless of their knoledge or lack there of. Gods elect are "saved by grace" and not by the level of their education or how many university degrees they have.

You forgot the awful truth that Gods Word is foolishness, to those whom God did not choose for salvation. They will go to hell, rejecting Gods Word and mocking those of us who are stupid enough to believe what God has said.

I notice you failed to make the destinction between the children of God and the children of the Devil. Let me remind you thst these are not one and the same as you think they are. God has comanded us not to have any fellowship with them at all. So why are you appling the scriptures to the Devils children, when God never gave it to them.
 

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You keep on cornering me and forcing me to either believe in your opinion or Gods Word, as your opinion is opposed to Gods Word and if I was to believe in your opinion, then that would make God a liar.

Your interpritation of John 12:32 dictates that the Lord Jesus must be drawing everyone to Himself. But the awful thruth is, we find Him casting most of mankind into hell.
So according to you He is drawing them to Himself in order to catch them and throw them into the lake of fire, like some kind of sadistic hunter who luers His victims into His trap, so He can torment them in hellfire for all eternity.

I don't believe in your version of Jesus, because I know the Lord Jesus is not evil.

Yes Romans 5:18 does confirm that the Lord Jesus didn't come to save the Jews only, but
"all men" why do you have a problem with the Lord saving Gentiles from all over the world. Do you think He should have only saved the jews.

I don't know what part you failed to understand post 4,079 It was all clear and simple as far as I can tell.
CS, you appear to teach that GOD purposely chooses who goes to hell VERSUS knows.
Yet He desires all to be saved - 1 Tim 2:4
Either doctrine is contradicting itself or man is not understanding it.
 

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Your arrogance and ignorance is manifest.
It is very obvious you cannot even support your own interpretations so you fall back on all of these innuendos and false assumptions so you don't need to actually discuss one's understanding of scripture. Sadly, looking back on your other posts with other posters this seems to be a consistent practice.
Thank you for expressing your worthless opinion. Opinions are like **** blanks. Everybody has their own. But thanks for taking the time to say nothning anyway. The only thing that matters is the truth.
 

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In advance GOD purposely chooses who goes to hell ?
Even though He desires all to be saved - 1 Tim 2:4
How does that work ?
You should have asked, why did God chose to save anyone. Everyone deserves to go to hell, but God chose to save a remnant for His own glory and according to His soveregin purpouse and will.

So the real question is why did God chose some for salvation and leave the rest alone, in their natureal condemned sate.

God did not purposely choose anyone for hell, they will be cast into hell because they sinned. So God must cast them into hell, otherwise He would be evil if He didn't execute justice
 

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You should have asked, why did God chose to save anyone. Everyone deserves to go to hell, but God chose to save a remnant for His own glory and according to His soveregin purpouse and will.

So the real question is why did God chose some for salvation and leave the rest alone, in their natureal condemned sate.

God did not purposely choose anyone for hell, they will be cast into hell because they sinned. So God must cast them into hell, otherwise He would be evil if He didn't execute justice
 

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In advance GOD purposely chooses who goes to hell ?
Even though He desires all to be saved - 1 Tim 2:4
How does that work ?
It might help if you didin't pluck verses out of their intended context and them missaply them to cause confusion and delusion. Who was 1 Tim 2:4 spoken to, let me guess, you believe it was spoken to Lucifer, Judas Iscarroit, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Satin and Co. Well that's ridicious, because we know Jesus casts such wicked men into hell, so your theology is all messed up.
 

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CS, you appear to teach that GOD purposely chooses who goes to hell VERSUS knows.
Yet He desires all to be saved - 1 Tim 2:4
Either doctrine is contradicting itself or man is not understanding it.
Your theology is twisted beyond recognition, go and find out the context of "all men" in 1 Tim 2:4 you will find it's not referring to every single man without exception. It sounds like you have been indoctrinated by those who push demonic doctrine