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If the law and prophets have been fulfilled and, thus, passed away, then what is stopping these two commandments from free falling?

"The Scriptures" www.isr-messianic.org/ You may have missed the references done two times now, so I have posted their web address above. The BBE (BIble in Basic English) uses this phrase as well. I've seen others reference the Anchor BIble Dicitionary in defining the word 'Sabbatismos' but you...

That's the way you see it. We disagree. No, it is not. If several experts in their field feel that it is a "possible alternative" then it is a "possible alternative" in all cases due to the same original text. Desperation? Irrelevant and emotional. Experts in their field of translating Greek...

You would figure that one as smart, wise, and all knowing would pick this scenario out of all the others for a very good and morally upright reason. "...to us." I assume you meant "...to Him." If true then why would we understand what Paul was meaning when he said, " For ye have not received...

You missed one of my points. I don't what happens to your number since I believe this is true. Secondly, the KJV writers included in their foot note 'or, Sabbath keeping'. This is relevant to our discussion. The writers feel it can be interchange and, therefore, even 'rest' in those other...

Yes, it was getting far to long. If you hadn't changed the focus back to this specific topic I would have. You argument is a logical fallacy. It is invalid sir. I could say that the majority of authoritative scientists say it is impossible to break the sound barrier. They were wrong. You can...

I've experienced the same things your saying here. I apologize. I'm sorry that we as Christians have not lived up to the standard our Savior has set forth. I'm also apologizing for some of the responses given on this thread, at times they are cold and mocking. There is a proof for the...

Worship is not the issue here. We worship everyday of the week through our actions and words, our thoughts and deeds. There is no command in scripture as to what day of the week we should meet regularly. That, as far as protestants are concern, is whenever you have time. The question here is...

I disagree. There are more experts committed to understanding our ancient text called the bible who are also experts in the Greek or Hebrew or both and aren't Christian. There are experts in history who know more than just Hebrew or Greek or both that are not Christian either. I included these...

Oh, yes, this part I know. I will continue in showing plausible alternatives as to why I believe Sabbath keeping is not a sin and may even be defensible as an outright command still in effect today. In other words, Sabbath keeping is a standing command that was never revoked by Messiah or the...

I will respond but right now I would like some clarity. What are we disagreeing about? The meaning of the word Sabbatismos or how the word should be translated?

Absolutely aspen! The sum does not negate what is being added together. Lol, my post says 'beef' instead of 'will be' at the end. That is funny! I'm doing this all from my phone. I don't have my computer up and running yet nor do I have internet here except for my data plan. I tell you what...

Truth is not measured by how many people agree. 4 billion people believe that the Messiah was not the savior of the world, expert and otherwise. Are you asserting that we should go along with the crowd due to shear number of experts and followers? Many times in the past have experts been wrong...

After your comment about my statement not being true, I went looking. In my bible given to me years ago by my Catholic grandma, the verse about no graven images and no idols was not in there. We've been moving so most books are packed or I would look at the copyright dates. Therefore, I went...

It is interesting to me that the point that the information's source was objected to on the basis that this group was excommunicated by the Pope. What does excommunicated mean? So, because they wouldn't submit to the churches rulings they were excommunicated by the Pope. This sounds exact like...

I noticed under the Muslim topic that it states that the plan of salvation includes them. This is not stating they are saved only that plans are in place. Is this right? Or is there a different meaning going on here?

To answer the threads opening question simply: Yes. Most don't argue with this except for that pesky fourth command. For some odd reason this is the only command people argue with from my experience. (Except, of course, for our catholic friends. The Catholic Church has so graciously removed...

I suggest you all look at Paul's teachings. He was a teacher of the law, an Israelite tutored by the great Gamaliel, who was converted by Yehushua to be an apostle. When we view his teachings, we see how out of the old and new treasures are found. Paul is a fulfillment of this very parable...

I understand that a standing law that has not been resented, whether in the old or new covenant, is still applicable to us today. (By the way, when I said, 'standing'' I mean that which is still in effect or that which is in continuance) However, to say those who abide in Messiah will never...