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You may wanna go back to the first page of this discussion randor. He clearly states that "the INITIAL evidence" of salvation "IS speaking in tongues".

As an individual with a science degree the first theory I would look at would be the wind moving the sand beneath that would cause the rock to move. The individual grain work almost like tiny balls to move the seemingly immovable (the same way as heavy items can be moved on rollers)

Its called logical progression; you said that if you have been baptised in the spirit then you have spoken tongues. It is true that part of being saved is recieving the Holy Spirit. Ergo if you truely believe those two things then you must believe that the sign of a true believer is that they...

Stan, time and time again I have quoted the bible verses that define my beliefs, your only response has been "you're wrong". With no Biblical basis to back up you thoughts. So once again I'm going to point out that I am gonna trust what Jesus said and what the Spirit has revealed to me over what...

I'm sorry but if you do not believe that Christ was fully human then you cannot believe that his death can sanctify you. It had to be a human that died as a sacrifice for humanity. Full humans (to use your wording) we're not created to sin, they became sinful. Jesus was the perfect human (the...

Last I checked only one of the crosses had anything of the Truth upon it (maybe at a push 2, but certainly not the third)

I clearly said I agree that he was Fully God, it is you that is refusing to accept that he was equally Fully Human! If he wasn't human then the sacrifice doesn't work. You see way back in Genesis God tells Satan that a human Son, a decendent of Eve would be bitten by the serpent but that same...

Jesus was born God, but he was also born man - if the bible says the spirit filled Christ then I'm gonna believe that over you. I need the holy spirit, but I don't have to speak in tongues to prove that I have that Spirit.

John 8v31-32: To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 14v6: Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through...

Luke 4:1 : "And Jesus full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness." Acts 10:38 : "God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit" Jesus also says him self in Matthew 12v28 "But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the...

It seems I'm late in to this one so if I repeat anyone's points I do apologise but this is something I've been studying recently (not on it's own but in the general gifts of The Spirit realm) Arguement one would be that in multiple places Paul speaks about diversity within the church (the...

Nope, I'm afraid most of that came from the teaching in the PACEs that you have mentioned have done so well in your area, as you said:

I would agree with that statement. But what about teaching that the Jesus in the bible was full of hate for certain people?

You quoted John 1:11 but didn't go on to read verse 12, and as I hope you are aware a text with out context is a con. He came to that which was his own [The Jewish people], but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all [yes all, anyone] who did receive him, to those who believed in his name...

So you are saying that the God that is the same yesterday, today and forever. The God that is never changing and everlasting has stopped speaking to his people?

Cheers Laid, I look forward to getting to know you (and the others that have read this without replying).

I was intending to wait for a few more commenters and opinions before sharing my own but alas patience isn't my strong point You see the thing is from the age of 7 to 14 (I'm not sure how that relates to grades in the US/Canadian system) I went to a school that used the ACE system, run by, and...

Personally I think the best way to do that would be to talk to them (I'm not gonna spend an hour or two looking back over their posting history before replying to someone), If they then respond to me to clarify what they meant then good on them. If they take it as a personal attack and don't...

Now I don't know if this is a place to post this but it seems relevant in my opinion (and I'm aure a Mod will move it should I be wrong) But prophecy is a gift of The Spirit - a Spirit who lives today, and who is in action today. Now it states in 1 Corinthians 12 that everyone has different...

Those schools don't sound so fundementalist as those outlined in the article posted. But I'd also question whether you believe other schools do not teach good values and moral judgements? Also, can you explain what you mean by a Christian country? Is it the major religion of the people within...