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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @ProDeo, there's a principle I learned early on about my God: He shows mercy to whom He chooses. If you’re diligent in seeking Him, I am confident that you can find Him. Isaiah 55:6: "Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near." But when you pray, ensure you recognize...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I'm not a JW Pro though you know a Harlot exists and she has many daughters? Who do you think these could be?
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    Western Trinitarians, do not follow the early church teaching.

    Here it is Pro! God, the Father Son of God The Holy Spirit being the Power of God The Word of God descended from Heaven by the Power of the Holy Spirit and gave conception in Mary Given the widespread influence of Trinitarian error for the past 1,700 years, it's predictable that a resurgence...
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    Western Trinitarians, do not follow the early church teaching.

    There is no Scripture safe from the Trinitarian Credal Notions! In 1 Corinthians 1:24, Jesus is described as "the power of God." Similarly, in Acts 8:10, Philip the evangelist is referred to as the "power of God" by Simon the sorcerer. However, this doesn't imply that Simon believed Philip to...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Yes, we have certainly taken confidence in the firm knowledge of the true Lord Jesus Christ. And it's fair to say that you have faced the most challenges in these discussions, especially compared to Johann and Redfan, who have withdrawn. So well done for maintaining a fighting spirit, afterall...
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I don’t think it’s fair to say 'full truth.' I believe 'greater truth' would be more accurate.
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Did you see what you did just then? you closed learning down - you shut the door on what could be a divine truth. Paul quoted that section of Scripture for a reason and to remain open minded and even asking questions is how we learn of him. Why does he change Christ the deliver coming to...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    But what is the difference?
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I highlighted it red for you. Read what Paul states then read what Isaiah states. What is different? In Romans 11 Paul states this text: 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob. 11:27 And this is my...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I've been teaching ex-JW's for many years which gives me additonal insights into their beliefs. As long as you can show your understanding from the Bible and you are convinced in it yourself that is fine with me. Everyone must be convinced in their own mind! I'm not anti-JW RLT, I'm...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Good question. Let's take the topic of dualism/hypostatic union as an example. If this were a legitimate doctrine, not only should I be able to find it in the Word of God, but I should also be able to find it consistently throughout the Scripture. Since we can’t, it must be false teaching...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Well, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are closer to the truth than many other denominations, that's for sure! If they abandoned the belief that Michael the Archangel is Jesus and better understood God's covenant with Israel, they would be much closer to the truth. @Aunty Jane has a lot to learn on...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @RLT63 Read Johann's post and ask yourself: was this how God, Jesus, and the Apostles intended the Word of God to be read and understood? 'Making wise the simple?' This is why Johann and I disagree—because Johann reads Scripture through a lens of grammar, syntax, exegesis, and scholarly...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This is a knee jerk reaction - everthing I have shown in my posts are easily understood. It's the main reason the Trinity must go! Psalm 19:7, which says: "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple." This passage speaks to...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Let me put it to you this way: Will anyone enter the Kingdom with wrong doctrine? Considering all of Paul's warnings, where he calls those who teach and accept false teachings "accursed," how can that be reconciled? God didn’t change from the Old Testament to the New Testament, but what really...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Redfan, but these numbers are quite alarming! What’s the deal with them? There’s nothing in the Bible that even remotely hints at anything like this! Correct - His name in the OT is Yahweh, however Jesus taught you to call him Abba Father! One and Only! Correct - created by the Word of His...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @RLT63 Daniel 7:10 "A stream of fire issued and came out from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened." A thousand thousands (a million!) ministered to Him; ten thousand times ten...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @RLT63 What do you think this means? Ephesians 1:10 (ESV): "as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth." What are the things in Heaven? Ephesians 3:14-15 (ESV): "For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Do you think that evidence would be unreasonable, considering they don't relate to our creation? It's our turn to join their family, not the other way around. If you take the time to study the angels, it's a fascinating and profound topic. I've done a lot of work on it over the years...
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    I hate myself, and hate being an atheist.

    It's understandable though in a post Christian world where the Lord is not easily seen anymore. No wonder the Master said "Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God." Revelation 3:2 Any longer and there will be...