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You can see how both sides had their doctrinal challenges to address. Yet, we know that the original Gospel preached was a singular truth, understood by those who accepted it. I believe this point is crucial. The matters concerning the Kingdom of God (Jewish) and the Name of the Lord Jesus...

All God's children are created Johann! “Who alone has immortality" 1 Tim 6:16 F2F

But it is not the spiritual that comes first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. (1 Corinthians 15:46) I assume you understand this, David? First Adam - Last Adam Christ in the flesh - Christ the firstfruits from the dead Physical Creation - Spiritual Creation I’m sure you’re seeing the...

In the context it means Jesus is the firstborn of every creature. The firstborn of all creation" is qualified in verse 18 to be "the firstborn from the dead" Do you think animals will be raised David?

Well the first truth posted in a very long time Johann. Your sleep will be sweeter for it! F2F

@David in NJ "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created . . ." The "creation" of which Christ is the firstborn refers to the creation of new men and women, not the creation of light, dry land, and so on in Genesis. The terms...

As long as you hold to this belief, you will continue to misinterpret Scripture.

Who is the Mercy Seat?

As I mentioned, you don't seem to grasp that someone from the tribe of Judah could not enter the Holy of Holies. Go to sleep J. before you make more ridiculous statements F2F

@David in NJ here is the Mercy Seat Romans 3:25: "Whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins." Enjoy F2F

And above the ark were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Now is not the time to speak of these things in detail. Heb 9:5. Hebrews 9 will also help Johann! Imagine if the writer went into those things in great detail?

Why don't you open your Bible and take a look?

@David in NJ who is the Mercy Seat David? This is me holding your feet to the fire! F2F

Another link Johann? Another copy and paste? You have need to learn the milk of the Word for the meat isn't digesting in you! F2F

This is a laborious task dealing with the contradiction of sinners. Who would become the mercy seat? F2F

In the same way you did not preexist!

@Johann, sleep on it and come back in the morning with a clear head and you will see the Word is correct! Jesus could not without penalty enter the Holy Place or the Holiest Place in the Temple! Jesus knew this and now you do. F2F

Maybe they will rewrite the Law of Moses or change Jesus' tribe to Levi? :quitit

What will happen now is the Trinitarians will run off to the eswords or Bible programs trying to find evidence of Jesus accessing the physical temple. This will be the subject matter for the day. F2F