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  1. Wrigley

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    John 1:1-18 Matthew 24:24 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Is it possible to deceive the elect? John 18:8-9 8 Jesus answered, “I have told you that I am He. Therefore, if you seek Me, let these go their...
  2. Wrigley

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    John 1:1-18 John 1. Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word (1:1-18) 1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He existed in the beginning with God. 3 God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him. 4 The Word gave...
  3. Wrigley

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    Are you saying obedience saves?
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    What does the obedience entail and to what extent?
  5. Wrigley

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    Obedient to what?
  6. Wrigley

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    Lots of believers under the OC. Obey and be saved, keep the law you will be saved. Keeping the laws save and not faith. Keeping the Sabbath saves, baptism saves and so on
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    John 6:37-40 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should...
  8. Wrigley

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    That's a yes then?
  9. Wrigley

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    Ok but are you under the OT/OC or the NT/NC?
  10. Wrigley

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    Nothing
  11. Wrigley

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    I went forward for prayer once at a annual get together of loads of churches. I was really struggling with my walk and connection with God. The person who prayed for me asked me "Do you pray in tongues? I said "No I don't" They then said "That is evidence that you are not saved, would you like...
  12. Wrigley

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    Ok let's discuss. But do you not think that we will discuss and give our views as to what the Bible says that we interpret and believe it is saying? I don't have a problem with that. I'm on another site where generally it is "I'm right your wrong and if you are wrong then it's a false...
  13. Wrigley

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    Thanks for explaining
  14. Wrigley

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    That depends. You may say we can and I can say not. You say not and I could say yes. Two different views. You are firm in yours and me in mine. Any point discussing?
  15. Wrigley

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    Actually there is such a thing as a free lunch Isaiah 55:1-3 An Invitation to Abundant Life 1 “Ho! Everyone who thirsts, Come to the waters; And you who have no money, Come, buy and eat. Yes, come, buy wine and milk Without money and without price. 2 Why do you spend money for what is not...
  16. Wrigley

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    Not sure what you mean by that either. Are you saying we can lose our salvation?
  17. Wrigley

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    So are you saying that the foundation built on is us building on it? If so I'm not so sure given the context of the whole passage. 1 Corinthians 3:9-17 9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a...
  18. Wrigley

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    Don't get what you are trying to say. My understanding is that the judgement of works are works that add to or detract from the foundation of Jesus in a belivers life. For me the foundation is salvation through faith and the grace of God in the death and resurrection of Jesus. When I say...
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    A difficult one for me. Prayed over a few dead bodies to be raised. Never happened and felt defeated. Don't quite get why the miracles off the NT church do not happen today. I'm not a cessationlist
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    So Jesus will judge at the end of time? Those saved and those not? Sorry may be semantics but you said God judges but Jesus saves. It seems to me a seperation of the two. Was the world not judged when Jesus said "It is finished? Please don't think I'm going at you or dissing you or trying to...