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The more I study the Bible, the more I hold that "ULIP" is not only wrong, but horrible and terrifying. Now, I agree with the "T" (although I'd put it the opposite, from the perspective of the Gospel, of John 3:16) And I agree with PART of the "U" - the positive Election of the saved, but NOT...

The first one is (although it's backwards).... the rest of TULIP (the ULIP) are all very contradictory of Scripture.

Correct. That was the original meaning.... The term as we now know it was a term of derision invented by some Catholics. It meant any who rejected their denomination's own "pope" as the infallible/unaccountable Authority and Voice of Jesus. But as often happens, terms of derision often loose...

Well, you didn't actually read the post, did you? I called YOUR insistence absurd (YOU, not Jesus).... your point that sin requires a "wrong motive." I revealed the absurdity of your position but of course, again, you are outstanding at evasion and accusation. See post 225 .

See post 225. BreadofLife, YOU stated that to be sinful, there must be a "wrong motive." I simply pointed out the undeniable absurdity of such a limitation. .

So.... if I shoot someone died because I think they are better off dead or because I think it will glorify God, then it's not sinful in your morality? An abortionist who kills the baby because the mother says she's not able to deal with it, to you then that's a wonderful, righteous...

1. Interesting coming from a Calvinist who INSIST that "all" means "few" but moving on.... 2. The context here is justification. Read the text.... tell me what tells you this is about EVERYTHING (including my second cup of coffee and my son falling down last night and hurting himself)...

1. Where are your Scripture that states God predestines EVERYTHING? 2. No, I said NOTHING remotely limiting God's foreknowledge or power. I simply pointed out the undeniable: Foreknowledge and predestination are not the same thing; yes predestination includes foreknowledge but not the...

Knowledge and predestination have nothing to do with each other. I know the sun will come up tomorrow. I have nothing to do with causing, ordaining, making it happen. ... a direct contradiction. God CERTAINLY knows what will happen... and there is a sense in which He permits things.... one...

Dave, See posts 873 and 877. .

Dave, This thread is not about Election (the U of TULIP), it's about whether Jesus died for ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY, SOLELY, JUST a LIMITED few (and thus, odds are, not you or me)? THAT'S the issue before us. 1 John 2:2 Isaiah 53:6 Luke 19:10 2 Corinthians 5:14-15 Hebrews 2:9 John 1:29 1...

Dave, You are pumping a LOT of eisegesis into John 10:26... and of course, just ignoring all the MANY verses that flat-out, verbatim, undeniably contradict this invented dogma of a few hyper-Calvinists. Who are the sheep God gives to Jesus? Christians - those with faith. Again, if you stop...

No. The doctrine of election does not teach that Jesus died for ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY, SOLELY, JUST a LIMITED few. At most in that manner, it says that God causes some to be saved. They are not the same.... they aren't even related (unless, AGAIN, you just delete faith from having any role in...

The Bible never, ever says that Jesus died ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY, SOLELY, JUST for a LIMITED few. The entire dogma of the "L" is missing in the Bible, as hyper-Calvinists have been proving for over 400 years. They must totally INSERT it where it doesn't exist. Please show how these verses...

Romans 16 NEVER REMOTELY says that Jesus died for ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY, SOLELY, JUST a LIMITED few. And it never says that the dead, atheistic enemy of God saves himself by his own acts of obedience (thus salvation by works, the savior is self). Yes. Justification requires faith. But we must...

Then self saves self by our own obedience? I disagree. I hold that Jesus is the Savior. Yes, Romans 16 speaks of an "obedience of faith" but that requires faith... faith that is obedient, not obedience that is rewarded with faith.

Of course. Did you read my questions? Is the context here JUSTIFICATION? Is Joshua talking to unregenerate, dead, atheistic enemies of God? Is Joshua saying these unregnerate unbelievers can choose or not choose to beleive in Jesus as their Savior? Or is he speaking to children of God...

Quote please. Where does God say He only gives faith to those whom Jesus died for? Isn't that perfect "backwards thinking (unless you have the verse, "God only gives faith to those for whom Christ died.")? The Bible says Christ died for all. It doesn't say God gives faith to all. Those...

Is this referring to justification? Is this referring to unbelievers? Joshua is speaking to those who know the Lord.... and it's about serving Him. This is not saying that the dead, atheistic, enemy of God - entirely void of the Holy Spirit - has the "free will" to choose Jesus or not as...

Where? .