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Although there is a lot of truth in what you say in your OP, what you say above is exactly what you are doing with this, because you have chosen to isolate Daniel 7 from Daniel 8 and 11 which are talking about the same kingdoms and the same fourth kingdom, and interpret Daniel 7 on its own...

I fully agree with everything you say in the above post (which I've shortened so that I don't exceed the character limit in this post). DAYS OF GREAT TRIBULATION SHORTENED FOR THE ELECT'S SAKE: Matthew 24 9 Then shall they deliver you up to tribulation [thlîpsis], and shall kill you: and...

First, before Tim La Haye and others began to call the coming wrath/judgment of God "The Tribulation", Bible scholars always understood that tribulation is always talking about what is being experienced by the saints in the world. Once Tim La Haye and others developed the habit of falsely...

No we do not "all know that". That's your own false assumption. No one will be taken out of the trib before the day of the resurrection, when Christ returns - because the trib does not refer to God's wrath being poured out upon the unbelieving world. "The trib" mentioned in scripture - i.e the...

There is no mention of tribulation - no use of what Jesus meant whenever He spoke of tribulation and what the apostles meant whenever they spoke of tribulation - in Jesus' examples of what came immediately before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the flood. Matthew 24 42 Therefore...

Naah, I'm just adjusting my way of speaking to you, to your way of speaking to me, that's all. I take it as friendly argument like friends who know one another well but disagree about something and start sparring verbally, but as friends and not as competitors. I'll change the way I speak back...

OK. Please address these verses:- John 16:33; Matthew 13:21 (Parallel: Mark 4:17); Matthew 24:9 & 29 (Parallel Mark 13:24); Acts 11:19; Acts 14:22; Acts 20:23; Romans 5:3; Romans 8:35; Romans 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 6 & 8; 2 Corinthians 2:4; 2 Corinthians 4:8; 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2...

Actually I never stated it. Jesus stated it, and I merely quoted what He said, which is written in black and white in Matthew, Mark and Luke. So you are way off. Your arguing with Christ about whether He will gather His elect before or after the tribulation (which is the tribulation of the...

Nope. You need to first read, then quote scripture instead of only stating your own false interpretations of scriptures that you don't even quote, so that we can point out to you using scripture why your own private interpretation is wrong. The multitude that had come out from great tribulation...

So you unknowingly have succeeded in contradicting yourself and torpedoing your own case by quoting scripture that refers to what comes upon the saints as tribulation and the tribulation. How can the saints be raptured before the tribulation when the tribulation is referring to their...

.. and you omit that He was referring to the tribulation of the saints: Revelation 7:9-10, 13-15 9 After these things I looked, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed...

(In my opinion) The Temple Mount is Mount Zion (Hebrews 12:22; Revelation 14:1) and when the beast makes war against Mount Zion and overcomes it (Revelation 13:7) it will trigger the resurrection, and Armageddon. HOWEVER, Jerusalem that is currently still in bondage with her children...

John 17 6 "I have revealed Your name to the men whom You gave to Me out of the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to Me, and they have kept [τηρησω tēréō: guarded from loss or injury by keeping their eye upon and preserving] Your word." 11-15: "And now I am in the world no longer, but...

That's right. All the Bible's tribulation verses are referring to the tribulation of saints that is going on now, and has been going on since the death and resurrection of Christ, and will intensify when the beast makes war against the saints and overcomes them. Glad you admit that. Now either...

The events that are to take place are written in the scroll, not in the seals that seal the scroll. So because you have the scroll as the seals and the seals as the scroll, you have wound up with your own private interpretation of what is written about the four horsemen, so you cannot be helped...

Which confirms my sentence before the words "..and are to go through .." So once again you make a point based on not having any point to make.

You never even read what I wrote and in the process have painted yourself into a corner. There is a pre-JUDGMENT departure, not a pre-TRIB departure. The judgment (a.k.a wrath of God) is not called tribulation or "the tribulation" or "the great tribulation" in THE BIBLE. There is a POST trib...

Your confusion and faulty interpretation of the scriptures stems from the fact that what you falsely call pre-TRIB the scripture calls pre-WRATH. What the Bible repeatedly and without exception calls the tribulation, persecution and affliction of the saints, and describes in three places as...

It's not referring to the destruction of the heavens (universe) and the earth (planet) in the Greek. Both the original language and the context of the passage in 2 Peter is telling us that the heavens and the earth are being kept by the same Word that kept the heavens and the earth in the days...

2 Peter 3:1-7 CONTEXT: --- Beloved, I now write this second letter to you, in which I stir up your pure mind to remember the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of the Lord and Savior by us, the apostles. First, knowing this, that there will come in...