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  1. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    “What must I do to be saved?” asks what does one need to do to become a Christian. “What is necessary to be a Christian?” asks what must one need to believe and do in order to remain a Christian; at least that is what I intended it to mean. :clmSmlx The forum administrators seem to think that...
  2. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    It's a similar question, but I started this thread to discuss whether or not a person must believe in the Trinity in order to be a Christian. As I wrote in the opening post: I've recently been banned from taking part in discussions in all the 'Christians Only' forums, because the CyB Team...
  3. keithr

    Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

    Satan's "reward", or punishment, is death. Matthew 25:41 WEB: (41) Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; Hebrews 2:14 KJV: (14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh...
  4. keithr

    Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

    Eternal torture is pure evil; it's not what a loving person would do. 1 John 4:8-10 (WEB) says: (8) He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love. (9) By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. (10) In...
  5. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    No. Jesus said, in Matthew 5:38-48 WEB: (38) “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ (39) But I tell you, don’t resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. (40) If anyone sues you to take away your...
  6. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    Or, from the video Is God a Trinity of Persons? Definition, History & Scripture - by Sean Finnegan: Stages of Trinitarian Development The first person in history whoever used the term trinity as a Christian is a man named Theophilus of Antioch in the year 184. This is 150 give or take years...
  7. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    (Continuing...) Again, do evangelicals believe that the man who picks up a gospel tract on a bus or train and sincerely prays the “Sinner’s Prayer” is not yet saved because he does not possess faith in the doctrines of the Trinity and the dual nature of Christ? Will evangelicals disavow the...
  8. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    (Continuing...) Instruction in the word largely came in the time following people receiving Christ – not during the time leading up to conversion. This approach is found in various examples in the Book of Acts. It includes cases involving conversion of Jews, proselytes, Samaritans and a wide...
  9. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    From Must you believe in the Trinity to be saved?: As I left the Billy Graham crusade one evening, I was struck by a remarkable realization. Hundreds if not thousands were responding to the call of Dr. Graham. Yet, it seemed likely to me that most of them did not possess even a rudimentary...
  10. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    I've not received any direct request to desist from anything, and no I've not persisted - when they had banned any discussion of the Trinity I often pointed that out to others that it was banned, to avoid digressing into a discussion of it. They then allowed discussion of it again, although...
  11. keithr

    What is necessary to be a Christian?

    I've been a Christian for well over thirty years, and I am the treasurer and a trustee of the Pentecostal Christian church that I've been attending for about 32 years, but I've recently been banned from taking part in discussions in all the 'Christians Only' forums, because the CyB Team think...
  12. keithr

    Does this sound like anyone here?

    I think I can imagine how you think about Christianity (but I may be wrong!). I too believed in God for many years, but even though I believed, I couldn't help thinking that it was possible that Christianity was all made up by men over thousands of years, as I had no personal experience or...
  13. keithr

    BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

    This is getting silly, so this will be my last comment on this! You've just quoted yourself as writing "No, that's incorrect", and focussing on a different word to what I was writing about. Quoting the whole verse - Colossians 1:16 MKJV: (16) For all things were created in Him, the things in...
  14. keithr

    BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

    How do you know that? Just because it's not how mankind normally procreates it does not mean that God cannot create a man with 23 chromosomes. Jesus did not have a human father. God could have supplied 23 chromosomes or just one. God designed and made man, He knows whether or not a man can...
  15. keithr

    BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

    And you've missed my point! I said the the word that's translated as 'through' in both verses is in both cases a translation of the same Greek word. You replied and said that was incorrect, but it IS correct. No. Just because I believe somebody that was a Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) doesn't...
  16. keithr

    BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

    I was correct! :clmSmlx I wrote "In both Romans 11:36 and Colossian 1:16 the word 'through' is translated from the same Greek word dia", i.e.: Colossians 1:16 UASV (16) For by {en} him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or...
  17. keithr

    BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

    No. I believe that the Hebrew version of Matthew that Shem-Tob copied is a genuine copy of the original Scripture. Shem Tob did not write the Matthew Gospel in Hebrew, he merely included a copy of it in his treatise - he was including his source, not writing it! George Howard writes in his...
  18. keithr

    BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

    That verse does not support or prove the Trinity doctrine. It certainly does not "clearly teach the Trinity"! The Bible clearly states that God's Son, Jesus, created everything - Colossians 1:16 WEB: (16) For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and...
  19. keithr

    BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

    It 'clearly' is not!
  20. keithr

    BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF CHRIST

    No, I've never studied with them. What Shem Tob wrote was written in the 1300s, but he included a copy of the Hebrew version of Matthew's Gospel which was written earlier. George Howard writes (from page 160 of The Gospel of Matthew according to a Primitive Hebrew Text): Although the Hebrew...