A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

[IndianaRob]

If you aren't convinced with the verses I've given I doubt any other verses will convince you. John shows living souls in heaven after being martyred for their faith. If they are not in heaven and are as the angels of God; spirit beings, then what do the living martyred souls John shows us consist of?

The souls under the altar are the Old Testament saints before Christ paid for their sins. The verse after that where they’re given white robes is when Jesus paid for their sins.

 

[rwb]

The souls under the altar are the Old Testament saints before Christ paid for their sins. The verse after that where they’re given white robes is when Jesus paid for their sins.

I agree but (1) they aren't the only martyred souls John sees, and (2) the martyred souls of Rev 6 didn't remain under the altar waiting for Christ to redeem them from the graves. After His cross and resurrection, we see them again in Rev 7 as 144,000 from all the tribes of the children of Israel being sealed with the life-giving spirit, and then we see the same 144,000 again in Rev 14 appearing with the Lamb on Mt Zion of heaven (Heb 12:22), as firstfruits unto God having been redeemed from the earth. If this isn't evidence of living spirit souls in heaven after death, I don't know what would be.

 

[IndianaRob]

I agree but (1) they aren't the only martyred souls John sees, and (2) the martyred souls of Rev 6 didn't remain under the altar waiting for Christ to redeem them from the graves. After His cross and resurrection, we see them again in Rev 7 as 144,000 from all the tribes of the children of Israel being sealed with the life-giving spirit, and then we see the same 144,000 again in Rev 14 appearing with the Lamb on Mt Zion of heaven (Heb 12:22), as firstfruits unto God having been redeemed from the earth. If this isn't evidence of living spirit souls in heaven after death, I don't know what would be.

I’ll have to come back to this tomorrow, got to go to bed now.