A Prophecy To Consider Concerning Eschatology

[jiggyfly]

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by my own name, and I will never go back on my word: Every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will confess allegiance to my name."

 

[Martin W.]

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.

By Myself I have sworn, Gone out from my mouth in righteousness hath a word, And it turneth not back, That to Me, bow doth every knee, every tongue swear.

 

[jiggyfly]

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.

By Myself I have sworn, Gone out from my mouth in righteousness hath a word, And it turneth not back, That to Me, bow doth every knee, every tongue swear.

So what do you think of this prophecy?

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.

By Myself I have sworn, Gone out from my mouth in righteousness hath a word, And it turneth not back, That to Me, bow doth every knee, every tongue swear.

So what do you think of this prophecy?

 

[gumby]

I personally think this ties into revelation and the end times. Also this prophecy is mentioned in the new testament as well. Romans 14:11 and Philippians 2:10.

 

[maxx]

If you have the proper eschatolgy, all that is happening makes perfect sense. If you follow the Pied Pipers of Amillennialism, Preterism, Replacement theology, Latter rain, Kingdom now and more you will be lost in the maze of bizarre current events.

 

[jiggyfly]

I personally think this ties into revelation and the end times. Also this prophecy is mentioned in the new testament as well. Romans 14:11 and Philippians 2:10.

Can you elaborate Gumby?

If you have the proper eschatolgy, all that is happening makes perfect sense. If you follow the Pied Pipers of Amillennialism, Preterism, Replacement theology, Latter rain, Kingdom now and more you will be lost in the maze of bizarre current events.

Hey Maxx, what would you consider "the proper eschatology"?

 

[maxx]

Big words for something simple.. Jesus bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

Big words for something simple.. Jesus bless.

Can you elaborate?

 

[HammerStone]

Well, I take large issue with getting the word "allegiance" from the Hebrew shaba' for one. Swearing an oath and declaring allegiance are two different things, and hardly mutually inclusive. That's quite a liberal translation there. I know in the NT renderings its confess, which is still far more accurate.

The more accurate rendering would be swear (see the ESV, NASB, KJV, etc.). Knees bowing and tongues swearing do not necessarily equate to belief.

II Thessalonians 2:8
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

When he shows up, it will be quite distinct and obvious. It will simply put to shame the initial appearance of the false one, the lamb that speaks as a dragon.

Luke 4:41
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

 

[Martin W.]

Martin W., on 05 April 2010 - 08:53 AM, said:

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.

By Myself I have sworn, Gone out from my mouth in righteousness hath a word, And it turneth not back, That to Me, bow doth every knee, every tongue swear.

jiggyfly Posted April 6, 05:34 AM
So what do you think of this prophecy?

I think it says pretty much the same as this:

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

And this:

'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.'
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.



To me the context in Philippians 2 and Romans 14 indicates something along the line that we should be humble , accept those weak in faith , accept those who are less than perfect, because all of us (each individual) will bow to Jesus in the end.

Concerning the eschatology context (that you implied) ... The quote you used (Living word translation) from Isaiah ..... I have sworn by my own name, and I will never go back on my word: Every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will confess allegiance to my name." ..... at first glance sounds like (eventually) everybody will pledge allegiance to the Lord (including the unsaved).

The words "pledge allegiance" is out of place here (my opinion) thus I quoted three other (more correct) translation.

Besides Isaiah is referring to Israel. I quote the next two verses (that you left out) in Isaiah":

The people will declare, "The LORD is the source of all my righteousness and strength."
And all who were angry with him will come to him and be ashamed.

In the LORD all the generations of Israel will be justified, and in him they will boast.

In summary Jiggy , it appears (to me) that you took scripture out of context or incomplete. The Christian world does that in abundance. Mostly to stir others up.

I had some time to kill so I let you stir. :)

Martin W.

 

[jiggyfly]

Well, I take large issue with getting the word "allegiance" from the Hebrew shaba' for one. Swearing an oath and declaring allegiance are two different things, and hardly mutually inclusive. That's quite a liberal translation there. I know in the NT renderings its confess, which is still far more accurate.

The more accurate rendering would be swear (see the ESV, NASB, KJV, etc.). Knees bowing and tongues swearing do not necessarily equate to belief.



When he shows up, it will be quite distinct and obvious. It will simply put to shame the initial appearance of the false one, the lamb that speaks as a dragon.

So what are the differences between swearing an oath and declaring allegiance within this context? Bear in mind that shaba is in this text twice.

 

[jiggyfly]

I think it says pretty much the same as this:

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

And this:

'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.'
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.



To me the context in Philippians 2 and Romans 14 indicates something along the line that we should be humble , accept those weak in faith , accept those who are less than perfect, because all of us (each individual) will bow to Jesus in the end.

Concerning the eschatology context (that you implied) ... The quote you used (Living word translation) from Isaiah ..... I have sworn by my own name, and I will never go back on my word: Every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will confess allegiance to my name." ..... at first glance sounds like (eventually) everybody will pledge allegiance to the Lord (including the unsaved).

The words "pledge allegiance" is out of place here (my opinion) thus I quoted three other (more correct) translation.

Besides Isaiah is referring to Israel. I quote the next two verses (that you left out) in Isaiah":

The people will declare, "The LORD is the source of all my righteousness and strength."
And all who were angry with him will come to him and be ashamed.

In the LORD all the generations of Israel will be justified, and in him they will boast.

In summary Jiggy , it appears (to me) that you took scripture out of context or incomplete. The Christian world does that in abundance. Mostly to stir others up.

I had some time to kill so I let you stir. :)

Martin W.

Thanks for posting Martin.

In the LORD all the generations of Israel will be justified, and in him they will boast.

So what do you think this means?

There are many scriptures that declare complete restitution, restoration and reconciliation of all created things.

What do you see as differing between "boasting" and "declaring allegiance".