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Should be watched by everyone claiming to be a Christian.
This feels like the rare case where I just need to start with a question:

Why are we obsessing over Trump when this entire political system, but particularly under Democrat control for the last 50 years, has been an open rebellion against God?

If you’re looking for rotten morality and a lack of purity in high places
, look no further than the Democrat party platform. It praises and normalizes abortion (the murder of babies), which is an abomination unto God (Proverbs 6:17). It elevates sin as a virtue under the banner of “equality” (pride in sin), in what the Bible says leads to judgment (Romans 1:26–32). It champions wickedness, rewards evil and punishes good. “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil” (Isaiah 5:20). This is not a warning to be taken lightly.

So why does this video single out Trump? Oh, he’s not perfect. Has he done things that Christians should be grieved over? Yes. Did he lie and sin and fail? Yes. But at least Trump didn’t spend his entire presidency trying to make Christians criminals for sharing biblical truth, or trying to force churches to bow to every new godless ideology passing under the rainbow flag.

For decades this country has been under Democrat leadership, and during that time we’ve had drag shows for children, men in women’s locker rooms, schools teaching gender confusion, and defiance of God boldly from every level of government. That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s what’s actually happening. And yet this man wants to lecture and shame evangelicals for voting for Trump, without even acknowledging that the other side was openly and actively advancing wickedness.

Do you honestly think that Jesus would have supported the policies that pay for Planned Parenthood, silence Christian pastors and media, and force our children into mutilation and confusion? No, he wouldn’t. “Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them” (Ephesians 5:11).

I’m not trying to say here that anyone should vote for Trump or defend him as if he’s the Savior. He’s not. And he’s sinned against the Lord. But at least when you put a Republican in office they will push back against the flood of depravity that’s spilling out of Washington. The other option is to empower political leaders who are literally trying to legislate everything God calls good out of existence.

This person says we’ve partnered with corrupt men. And you know what? Maybe he’s right. But what does he suggest? That we support the political party of open perversion, child sacrifice, and blasphemy? At no point in history has there been a perfect king in Israel, and we’re certainly not going to find one in politics either. But if you’re going to single out Trump supporters for criticism, then have the guts to rebuke the Democrats who have used their power to enslave this country to sin and judgment.

Before you point fingers at the church for voting the way God commands us to, remember to look in the mirror. Then, if you really want to call people back to Jesus, stop making this a political issue and start preaching the gospel that calls all men, Trump included, Biden included, you and me included, to repentance and faith in the true King: Jesus Christ.
 

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So why does this video single out Trump?
Because no Democrat I can recall ever based their whole campaign on returning the US to Christian values then turned around and did the exact opposite. In layman's terms, he's a staggering hypocrite and an embarrassment to the name Christian.

Unfortunately, many Christians have begun to operate under the assumption that to be a good Christian you have to be a patriot and believe the America fist doctrine. Neither one of those are Christian values.
 
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Because no Democrat I can recall ever based their whole campaign on returning the US to Christian values then turned around and did the exact opposite. In layman's terms, he's a staggering hypocrite and an embarrassment to the name Christian.

Unfortunately, many Christians have begun to operate under the assumption that to be a good Christian you have to be a patriot and believe the America fist doctrine. Neither one of those are Christian values.
Show me where Trump’s campaign platform was built on “returning the U.S. to Christian values.” Go ahead, quote it. I’ll wait. Because I never heard him call for national repentance, or open the Bible and point people to Jesus. So no, his campaign wasn’t built on that. You’re accusing him of being a hypocrite over something he never even claimed was his foundation.

Now, is that better than the Democrats who openly and aggressively oppose Christian values at every turn? Absolutely. They’re for abortion, transgenderism, anti-family platforms and silencing biblical truth. So spare me the false equivalency.

If you think putting America first is somehow evil or un-Christian, maybe you should go live somewhere else. No one’s saying the nation is our god, but loving your country and wanting to protect its foundation is not a sin. Sin is taking the truth and twisting it to make Christians look like the enemy while the real enemies of righteousness get a pass.
 

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Show me where Trump’s campaign platform was built on “returning the U.S. to Christian values.” Go ahead, quote it.
That's easy!


That's what false teacher Paula White said, Trumps spiritual advisor.
 

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Why are we obsessing over Trump when this entire political system, but particularly under Democrat control for the last 50 years, has been an open rebellion against God?
Because the evangelical prosperity preachers jumped into the election claiming Trump would be bringing Christianty back into the White House and he appointed false teacher Paula White to help him.

Other prime examples are the Swaggerts and Gene Bailey's Flashpoint (=sponsored by Mr. Kenneth Copeland and his son in law.)

Plus there are many more.
How about Jesse Duplantis, another one endorsing Trump during his preaching.

THAT's how Christianity got involved
 
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Show me where Trump’s campaign platform was built on “returning the U.S. to Christian values.” Go ahead, quote it. I’ll wait. Because I never heard him call for national repentance, or open the Bible and point people to Jesus.
I never said Trump promised national repentance or the preaching of the gospel. "Christian values" isn't the same thing as repentance or preaching the gospel. In the same way, the US was founded on Christian values and principles, but not as a "Christian nation" as some say. From the get-go, Trump's policies and personal behavior have been antithetical to both Christian values and to Christianity itself. I predict your next question will be: "How has he acted contrary to Christain values?" If you don't know the answer to that, you haven't been paying attention; and I doubt I could explain it to your satisfaction.

Trump Promises to Bring About a New Era of Christian Power
 

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Because no Democrat I can recall ever based their whole campaign on returning the US to Christian values then turned around and did the exact opposite. In layman's terms, he's a staggering hypocrite and an embarrassment to the name Christian.

Unfortunately, many Christians have begun to operate under the assumption that to be a good Christian you have to be a patriot and believe the America fist doctrine. Neither one of those are Christian values.
Now, is that better than the Democrats who openly and aggressively oppose Christian values at every turn? Absolutely. They’re for abortion, transgenderism, anti-family platforms and silencing biblical truth. So spare me the false equivalency.

If you think putting America first is somehow evil or un-Christian, maybe you should go live somewhere else.
 

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I never said Trump promised national repentance or the preaching of the gospel. "Christian values" isn't the same thing as repentance or preaching the gospel. In the same way, the US was founded on Christian values and principles, but not as a "Christian nation" as some say. From the get-go, Trump's policies and personal behavior have been antithetical to both Christian values and to Christianity itself. I predict your next question will be: "How has he acted contrary to Christain values?" If you don't know the answer to that, you haven't been paying attention; and I doubt I could explain it to your satisfaction.

Trump Promises to Bring About a New Era of Christian Power
Now, is that better than the Democrats who openly and aggressively oppose Christian values at every turn? Absolutely. They’re for abortion, transgenderism, anti-family platforms and silencing biblical truth. So spare me the false equivalency.

If you think putting America first is somehow evil or un-Christian, maybe you should go live somewhere else.
 

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Now, is that better than the Democrats who openly and aggressively oppose Christian values at every turn? Absolutely. They’re for abortion, transgenderism, anti-family platforms and silencing biblical truth. So spare me the false equivalency.

If you think putting America first is somehow evil or un-Christian, maybe you should go live somewhere else.
I can see you're one of those who puts words in people's mouth; that's twice you've done it. For that reason we're done.
 

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If you think putting America first is somehow evil or un-Christian, maybe you should go live somewhere else.
I think it's evil to cause hardship and suffering, unemployment and all things connected with it.
Such things have nothing to do with Christianity and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
 

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I think it's evil to cause hardship and suffering, unemployment and all things connected with it.
Such things have nothing to do with Christianity and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
You didn’t answer what I said at all. I asked how putting America first is evil or un-Christian, and instead you rambled about suffering and unemployment like that somehow proves your point. That’s not a response, that’s deflection. If you think prioritizing your own nation is sinful, then back it up with Scripture. Otherwise, you're just throwing emotional buzzwords around to avoid the real issue.
 

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I can see you're one of those who puts words in people's mouth; that's twice you've done it. For that reason we're done.
You know I did not put words in your mouth and you know it. I did not call you evil. I made a general statement directed at anyone who thinks putting America first is evil, not specifically you, unless that’s what you believe. If you don't see yourself that way then it does not. But instead of addressing the actual issue you chose to act like a victim and walked away. That is fine with me.
 

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I never said Trump promised national repentance or the preaching of the gospel. "Christian values" isn't the same thing as repentance or preaching the gospel. In the same way, the US was founded on Christian values and principles, but not as a "Christian nation" as some say. From the get-go, Trump's policies and personal behavior have been antithetical to both Christian values and to Christianity itself. I predict your next question will be: "How has he acted contrary to Christain values?" If you don't know the answer to that, you haven't been paying attention; and I doubt I could explain it to your satisfaction.

Trump Promises to Bring About a New Era of Christian Power
The fruit of all places now lie in stink and utter rot and decay .
time to come out of the false churches and all of politics . TIME for the sheep to make our last and final stand and do exploits
 
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You didn’t answer what I said at all. I asked how putting America first is evil or un-Christian, and instead you rambled about suffering and unemployment like that somehow proves your point. That’s not a response, that’s deflection. If you think prioritizing your own nation is sinful, then back it up with Scripture. Otherwise, you're just throwing emotional buzzwords around to avoid the real issue.
To illustrate, who was it in Jesus story of the Good Samaritan that put himself first?