Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

[Lambano]

St. SteVen said:
Mom asks, "Did you eat those chocolate chip cookies?" - "Nope."

A jury of his peers should decide. - LOL

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I think Mom has already made her judgement.

 

[IronMaiden]

You LOVED my comment below.

Don't you understand that it says we are prevented from knowing absolute truth because that would NOT be faith?

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Not we; only UNBELIEVERS are prevented. See?

 

[IronMaiden]

That would mean NOT absolute truth.

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BELIEVERS have FAITH in the SCRIPTURES which are the ABSOLUTE TRUTH from the WORD OF GOD.

 

[St. SteVen]

What are your really BIG existential questions?

- What was God doing before he did this?
- Why did He do this?
- Was global genocide the best solution to the world in Noah's day?
- What are his long-term plans for us?
- What will he do next?

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[St. SteVen]

Not we; only UNBELIEVERS are prevented. See?

Do you know the difference between truth and ABSOLUTE truth?

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[St. SteVen]

BELIEVERS have FAITH in the SCRIPTURES which are the ABSOLUTE TRUTH from the WORD OF GOD.

If you have absolute truth, then faith is not required.

Are you saved by faith, or by absolute truth?

Are we saved by certainty, or by faith? - the mystery of salvation

Faith is not required to believe a certainty. How much energy do we expend attempting to promote salvation as a certainty? All the reams of apologetics to make the mystery of faith appear to be a certainty. Were we saved by grace through certainty, or saved by grace through faith? ]

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[Lambano]

- What was God doing before he did this?

Johnny: If in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, what was he doing before that?
Teacher: He was creating Hell for little boys who ask questions like that!

(Fortunately, most of my Sunday School teachers weren't like that. Not sure about that Baptist guy in the 6th grade, though.)

 

[IronMaiden]

- What was God doing before he did this?
- Why did He do this?
- Was global genocide the best solution to the world in Noah's day?
- What are his long-term plans for us?
- What will he do next?

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The term “absolute truth“ is a double superlative. Truth is truth.

 

[IronMaiden]

If you have absolute truth, then faith is not required.

Are you saved by faith or absolute truth?

Are we saved by certainty, or by faith? - the mystery of salvation

Faith is not required to believe a certainty. How much energy do we expend attempting to promote salvation as a certainty? All the reams of apologetics to make the mystery of faith appear to be a certainty. Were we saved by grace through certainty, or saved by grace through faith? ]

www.christianityboard.com

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I already answered that, but I will try harder to make it clear. I am saved by grace through faith. Yes, FAITH is required in order to be saved. YOU MUST HAVE FAITH in order to receive TRUTH.

 

[St. SteVen]

The term “absolute truth“ is a double superlative. Truth is truth.

Are you sure that truth is an adjective? (absolutely) - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

I already answered that, but I will try harder to make it clear. I am saved by grace through faith. Yes, FAITH is required in order to be saved. YOU MUST HAVE FAITH in order to receive TRUTH.

That means the certainty of truth has nothing to do with it. Faith is required.
Are you saved by certainty, or by faith?

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[IronMaiden]

That means the certainty of truth has nothing to do with it. Faith is required.
Are you saved by certainty, or by faith?

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By faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[IronMaiden]

Certainly, God’s TRUTH has everything to do with ABIDING in CHRIST.

 

[Lambano]

Are you sure that truth is an adjective? (absolutely) - LOL

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Truthfully?

 

[St. SteVen]

Certainly, God’s TRUTH has everything to do with ABIDING in CHRIST.

Nonsense.

Abiding in Christ is the biggest test of our faith.
Faith means a lack of certainty. (absolute truth)

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[St. SteVen]

Truthfully?

There we go, a double superlative. Absolute truthfully. - LOL

Absolute truthfully - Do we know what it is?

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[IronMaiden]

@St. SteVen

I think that perhaps you’ve forgotten that BELIEVERS were chosen before the foundation of the world because of His foreknowledge of them. He knew we would be faithful.

Romans 8:29 (NKJV) For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen

I think that perhaps you’ve forgotten that BELIEVERS were chosen before the foundation of the world because of His foreknowledge of them. He knew we would be faithful.

Romans 8:29 (NKJV) For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

You appear to be stuck. I can't help you.

God knows the absolute truth, but we don't. There would be no faith if we did.

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[IronMaiden]

Nonsense.

Abiding in Christ is the biggest test of our faith.
Faith means a lack of certainty. (absolute truth)

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Faith is not a lack of certainty, but has substance and evidence, as defined in Hebrews 11:1:
Hebrews 11:1 (NKJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[Lambano]

Are you arguing that it's not possible to KNOW anything?

Or is the argument that to KNOW something requires trust (faith) in something else, whether that something is your eyeballs, your measurement equipment, whatever?

I'm going to quote myself because this was so freakin' brilliant....

It looks like KNOWING is rooted in TRUST (also read, "FAITH") in something - whether that something is observational equipment, initial axioms, the rules of logic, or "revealed propositional truth".