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Featured Abuse of power and the end of America

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by Enoch111, May 22, 2020.

  1. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    When the American Founding Fathers drew up their Constitution, their primary goal was to stop tyranny in America. The Preamble speaks of establishing justice and securing the blessings of liberty.

    Tyranny had existed for ages in Europe. Therefore they ensured a system of checks and balances so that the administrative, legislative, and judicial branches of government would be independent of each other, and there would be no tyranny.

    However, what we have seen since Barack Obama first assumed office in 2009, and continued to sabotage the succeeding president from 2017 to 2020, is that the abuse of power, injustice and tyranny have established themselves in American government. The rule of law had been discarded at the very top during the Obama administration, and today OBAMAGATE is a fact.

    Because all branches of the government were corrupted under Obama, the system of checks and balances became non-existent. And because almost all Republicans in government rubber-stamped Obama’s decisions, there was no opposition, even when there was treason in the White House (as related to Iran and ISIS). Then when Republicans controlled both houses under Trump, they undermined and sabotaged him daily, until they lost Congress because they rejected their own principles.

    When Donald Trump took office, almost everyone in Washington was his enemy. That has turned out to be Trump Derangement Syndrome (or TDS) – a very real mental illness that has infected the mainstream media (MSM) and controlled their narrative from day one. Hatred of Donald Trump is a fact of life in America, and all over the world. And hatred is a product of Satan working overtimes in evil hearts.

    But instead of going outside Washington and Wall Street to put together an uncorrupted administration, he continued to allow Deep State operatives to remain in office and undermine his presidency. He also consistently appointed the wrong people to high office, and then had to hire and fire on a constant basis. Therefore Mr, Trump sabotaged himself, and made himself look weak and ineffective.

    At the same time, the power-hungry Democrats under Pelosi and Schumer (with help from Obama’s corrupt officials) designed a conspiracy to take down Trump by all illegal means, since they all consider themselves above the law. Thus the Russian Collusion Hoax was perpetrated, followed by the totally bogus Mueller Investigation, followed by the completely evil Impeachment Coup. And this impeachment foolishness happened at the same time as China released a bio-weapon to destroy America. Billions of tax-payer dollars and hundreds of thousands of man-hours over a course of three years have been wasted by the Democrats in trying to take down Trump. But he has failed to order the Democrats to pay back to the Treasury all this wasted money (which would probably have been sufficient to cover a genuine stimulus package).

    When the Wuhan virus pandemic hit the world, Trump did not have the right people in office to advise him properly as to how to respond. The CDC and NIH had also been corrupted, but Trump failed to clean house and brought Fauci, Birx, and Redfield into his advisory group. He should have known that they were there to sabotage his presidency -- and also sabotage America -- and that is exactly what happened.

    The lockdowns, the social distancing, the wearing of masks, the bogus reports of infections and deaths, the fear-mongering, and the draconian regulations of corrupt Democratic governors in many states, ensured that Trump would become the scapegoat, and the economy of America would be destroyed. But Trump went along with all this nonsense because to could not – or would not – fire all the conspirators, and begin a serious independent investigation into this conspiracy which encompassed China, WHO, Soros, Gates and many others.

    At the same time, he failed to veto the “Stimulus Package” which was designed by self-serving Democrats to funnel money into projects and agencies which should not have received a dime. So along came wicked Nancy Pelosi, and presented the Senate with another three trillion dollar boondoggle, while the weak and ineffective Republicans stood by with open mouths. For those who are not familiar with the term “boondoggle” it is defined as “a project funded by the federal government out of political favoritism that is of no real value to the community or the nation.”

    Now America is facing a critical presidential election, and once again Mr. Trump has failed to see that the Democrats will certainly steal this election, and has not taken appropriate steps to prevent this theft through election fraud. They are not only pushing for mail-in voting, but they have already provided bogus Social Security cards and driver’s licenses to hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of illegal migrants who will vote for the Democrats. Even the IRS is willing to encourage illegal immigrants to use bogus IDs.

    So what we are now seeing is that the USA has become a lawless nation through those who are supposed to be enforcing the laws of the land. The next thing that can be expected is that the US will become a Socialist/Communist country ruled by extreme Leftist tyrants who will shred the Constitution. And that will be the end of America.
     
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    Prayer Warrior Well-Known Member

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    It’s true that Trump has made some serious errors in judgment and policy, the nationwide lockdown being one of the biggest. I have been asking God to surround him with wise advisors.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    There will be a civil war before this country becomes a socialist country....IMHO....look at all the defiance rising up AGAINST their government already....Big Daddy got too big for his britches and thought he/she had the sovereign power to tell the people how and when and where and what....well they are quickly learning otherwise!
    In one city a gym owner opened for business and there was a large.gathering of people outside....the cops showed up and informed them they were in violation of the Governors orders to stay socially isolated....the crowd started getting mouthy and the cop stopped them and said wait...hold on...I had to inform you and I did and now I bid you a good day!

    That crowd cheered and clapped...yeah big government is going DOWN!
     
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    By "American founding father" just who do you mean? Are you talking about those of 1787? Or those of 1776? Or better yet, those of 1865?

    If you are addressing the 'preamble' to the Constitution of 1787, it was butchered also in it's presentation.

    I agree with much of what you say. But you must know that it is American history to rule tyrannically over people. All in the name of 'freedom'.

    The Constitution we Americans are under today is the result of lawless overthrow and shredding the original Constitution. Both in 1787 and 1865.

    Stranger
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    The Declaration of Independence (1776) is reflected in the Preamble. The actual date of the Constitution is 1787. However the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments (abolition of slavery, citizenship and voting rights) are from 1865 to 1870.

    You are correct in that the later federal governments did not fully uphold the Constitution and there was tyranny under Lincoln. Then the South was destroyed after the Civil War by opportunistic Northerners who were carpetbaggers, and Southerners who were scalawags. That was pretty shameful, not to mention the treatment of Native Americans.
     
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    Civil war means bloodshed. The first Civil War was unnecessary bloodshed. Another civil war will mean total devastation.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    If the government tries to take away our rights and our freedoms there will be an uprising....it may not start out as war but the left and the right are so far apart these days that it is just like it was the last time...the north against the south.
     
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    Trump has done his best to create enemies by attacking so many people. You can't insult people and then expect them to love you.
     
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    And Donald Trump will control a few acres of land in the middle of Washington DC.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    I don't care...I am so sick of all this....Jesus come quickly please...:oops:
     
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    That is our Second Constitution. The first was the Articles of Confederation in 1776. Eleven years later, 1787, they threw it out the window. Unconstitutionally.

    Concerning the preamble, it was butchered as I said. What was presented as the 'preamble'was not the original preamble. It was edited to support a political view.

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    That's right sister. And the lines are almost identical.

    Stranger
     
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    I thought you liked President Trump and thought his being President would bless the country.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    I love God...and my Father appoints who our leaders are and out of fear and love for Him I pray for Trump and all leaders around the world...and I don't mock them....to me that is mocking God...who put them there.
     
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    I think you may be reading Paul without enough caution. He means in the ideal situation. The world's leaders are meant to benefit the people they rule over; but it is not always so. Some leaders do not have God's approval. God did not put them where they are. Religious leaders are also meant to benefit us, but do all of them?

    Psalm 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

    Hosea 8:4 4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

    When people want a ruler who God does not approve of, He permits it. Corrupt people deserve corrupt rulers. Think about how Israel rejected God and wanted an earthly king.

    1 Samuel 8:7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

    What would happen?

    11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
    12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
    13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
    14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
    15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
    16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
    17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
    18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.


    They still wanted a king and God said okay.

    22 And the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.
     
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    And the end of the world as we knew it is more to the point.
    It's all about the NWO and they are set to kill off most of the worlds population as the Greens have expressed for many years that they have demanded something like 80% of the worlds population be wiped out, they have openly said such things for years, I do not know why they can get away with saying things like that, but well the media are not bothered by such statements at all ? but why ! are they fine with such statements or even such demands ? if the media stood up and condemned such madness then all the people would wake up to what such a Mob were up to and then seek to know what is truly going on with all this planning behind closed doors, why do a Mob of the worlds most richest and powerful people meet every year under secret dealings to plan things that the world media do not want to inform the world of. now what is truly going on in that meeting that is held every year, that they see that the world population has no rights to be included in.
    They are setting us up ! like chooks to the slaughter.
    I would not trust such powerful secret organisations at all.
    I know that WW2 was totally a creation planed many years in advance, the Mob that truly control the world set Russia up to become Communist and anyone who bothers to look into how such was done can see the workings were created by great stealth and cunning. and then when one puts Nazi Germany under the same microscope one can see a very cunning devilish game that's at play, the devil is in the detail all along, Hitler is a pawn, he was placed in power by his masters, fact is that they never wanted Hitler killed in fact, the only threat to his life came from the Germans who knew what he truly was.
    W Churchill pointed out on TV 1966 what the war was all about, they wanted to win markets he said and he said that they could of won the war without firing a shot if they wanted to but it was the markets that they wanted, so the hellfire that came to be was arranged deal.

    All war is always about money and power, hiding behind some scam and many game plays on the people. not to mention the skulduggery that goes on that is a war of another type that most never think about, that is undermining ones Nation on so many levels, financially for one that creeps in like a cancer over the years or a morality cancer that bastardises the people to become nothing but trash and we can see the workings of that nowadays it's even promoted. abortion on demand, Sodomite pride, you name it ! don't stand up to such because you will be labelled the monster.
    I am not surprised, because I know that Satan controls this world and that why I understand we need the Kingdom of God. Jesus said that it is obtainable. Sin is the one thing that we have to come to truly understand and deal with, so if we see a Sin we should call such out for what such truly is and not hide behind social taboos.
     
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    Yes that's what the Germans said with Hitler and the Communist leaderships as well, as they wiped out millions of their own people and threatened all around them.
    Remember Band Aid and all who helped Bob Geldof give their money to the African dictator to kill Christian Africans and good non Islamic murdering African blacks. I remember some who knew at the time that any money given was going to go to a murdering dictator to kill the other blacks, oh I remember that well, but we had no voice and the media shut all such out.
     
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    And? What is your point? Can you not see God's plan through all that....how it was a fulfillment of prophesy? Did He not say that He raised up Pharoah for His purpose?
    If God isn't involved with any of this and it is all happenstance then do you call that fate? or destiny? Or it was written in the stars? Or it is Karma?
    Nothing in this world has happened that God didn't ordain or allow to happen.
    He is The Almighty, The Great I Am, El Shadai, El Elyon, Adonai....The Beginning and The End...Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient Powerful the I Am....
    As it is written...He knows all things from beginning to end....nothing happened by mistake....He orders our footsteps....
    That is my God....my Father.
     
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    This process has been going on for some time and can not be attributed solely to current political machinations. Liberty and freedom have been relegated to lip service for decades
     
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    I see the devil is in the detail of such as of this world and I am not surprised. God does not control this world, but Satan does.
    Where is the dedicated Christian leader of any Nation ? take WW2 not one Christian Leader, but all were Freemasons in fact.
    Their is no plan as to God, it's you abide or you don't. as a collective we reap what we have sown in this world. don't be surprised about the cunning and evil of this world, for the Kingdom of God is at hand, only you have to make that distinction, as you in this world or the Kingdom of God. One must be truly born again to see the truth, other than that one just runs about in line with this world, because one is a slave to it.
    Be carful of leaders as such power corrupts such people.
    Have a look and see who it is that gets to the top leadership positions, the ruthless for sure, they have so many balls to juggle in the air that they can not be openly honest with the people, because who is it that is truly controlling them, well it's not the people that's for sure.
    JFK pointed out that he was going to expose them and got shot by them, the people were not the threat it was them within Government that were, such is a bloody ruthless game to be involved in.
     
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