Ahh, I see something now, we are not talking about choosing..

[afaithfulone4u]

salvation. We are talking about can one make a choice to be chosen to inherit the kingdom of God and the answer to that is NO!!!

But you can come back in the second resurrection when the books are opened even the book of life and become the saved nations.. the rest of the earth without the city.
Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV
Notice it did not say they were unbelievers that Jesus is the Son of God??
But they were not found worthy to escape!

As I have tried to show many times, saved and the chosen to inherit the kingdom of God are two different things. To be saved is by belief in Christ as the Son of God. The heavenly hope is for the chosen to rule and reign with Christ who inherit heavenly Jerusalem The Bride of the Lamb, temple, holy ones, living stones of the First Resurrection.
Rom 10:1-10
10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
KJV
John 6:65-70
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
KJV
John 15:16-19
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
KJV
2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
KJV
1 Cor 3:11-15
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
KJV
Matt 20:16
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
KJV
Gal 5:17-21
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV

 

[Groundzero]

So . . . what you are trying to say is, we are predestined?

 

[afaithfulone4u]

So . . . what you are trying to say is, we are predestined?

Yes it is a predestination but not as you think for God is not respecter of persons and it is available to all to enter the race as Paul calls if for the High calling of God.
Phil 3:12-15
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
KJV

They are chosen before the foundation of the world... not before the earth was, but they have been picked for their persevierance, their desire to seek God and renew their hearts/minds being tried and tested for purity before the foundation of the new earth to come and are being trained up NOW to rule and reign with Christ. That is what these trials and tests allowed by God by the devil are for... to see who can stand and who will not! Esther whom is groomed by Hegai to hopefully be chosen of the king as the new queen/New Jerusalem as the children of God. Restored Israel/Jacob who are of Jew (Rachel & Leah) and Gentile(their Egyptian servants) mothers, yet one Father(God)

Salvation to live again in the new earth to come is for Who so ever Will choose to repent of their ways and believe in their heart that Jesus is the Son of God and that God raised him on the 3rd day regardless of their progress in Christ for that is what God promised..BUT!

That does not make you worthy to be a king or a priest of God to judge others when you do not move forward to shed the works of the flesh which is a growth process. God looks at the heart and intension of a man and HE chooses them and calls them out for Himself to become His temple which must be holy.

Righteousness is not holiness. Job was righteous, David was righteous, Noah was righteous, Abraham was righteous so on and so on... but according to the measure of Christ, they were not holy and Jesus still had to come for them all to be spared in the harvest days which we live being the end of the 6days(6,000yrs of planting) getting ready of the Day of rest from the evil as they will be the left over crops for the animals to feed upon to rid the earth of the riotous ones that bring chaos, not peace.

Only those who have entered the race with a vision to reach their goal which is the image of Christ who is the living Word of God can be of the chosen BY God for their heart is like David, steadfast trusting in the Lord by faith for everything they are or have in this life.


Do you know any who say they love Jesus but they have never even opened their Bible? Do you believe that God will choose them to rule and reign with Christ? Certainly not! How can they love God who is exactly as His Word says He is yet they don't care to know Him? When we communicate with God, we must KNOW our Word to be sure that what we are hearing, is really from God and not the Temptor who is very well versed in scripture but tries to get us to exalt his word over God's, or just wishful thinking on our part of something we Want to be true.
The thing that we hear, must line up with Christ that is why God says we have a more sure Word from the scriptures because we can go to it and get a Second witness to verify the what we are hearing in our thoughts is God!

Remember the parable of the workers in the field and they all get equal pay in the end even though the first thought they should NOW get more because they worked in sweat for the whole day, yet Jesus the land owner said why are you angry, didn't I agree to pay you this much (save them)? The reason that they worked longer and harder is because each of us have different issues in our life that we must overcome in order to make it to our promised land overflowing with milk and honey.

Our wages & health will be according to our souls prosperity as we grow in the Word... first as babes, then son's if we just begin to walk, by stepping out in the things of God in Faith as His Word teaches us to do.
But salvation to live again is the base pay for better choice of words.. our rewards come as we begin to step out on the Word and learn how to walk in it. Most come to Christ and think that is it... I am saved(like the eunuch) and they never have an interest in going any further and they live their life just the same as they did before coming to Christ and they shall reap what they have sown. Their rewards will be, Zilch, even though their soul is saved for their belief in Christ.. After all there must be servants in the new earth to come and that is what they will be for they were not willing to serve in this life.

1 Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
KJV

Those who SERVE the Word by feeding the world The BREAD OF LIFE now Shall Be Served(as the best wine saved till last and Served at the wedding because they filled their vessels with the living water) as the chosen of God. God does not choose them for anything of their fleshly works such as handing out trinkets to fallen man and such. But chosen because their heart was to fear and serve God & His Word so that He could perfect their heart to purity in Christ. They sought for God to give them the desires(spiritual gifts of integrity, a good NAME for honor) of their heart.

Ask God to operate daily in your inward parts to make you into the person that pleases Him and you will be usable and valuable to God for He seeks those who desire Him to make them perfect as He is perfect.