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[Behold]

And yet all you false doctrine peoples go around proudly proclaiming they are sinners who sin daily in thought word and deed. Weird.

Stop lying. @Dan Clarkston

No one goes around proclaiming they are sinners who sin daily, unless its some Satanist or Pagan, or similar.

See, you are just making stuff up.

Notice, ... = there is No Christian who is claimig they sin all the time.........However there are Christians who dont understand what Jesus has accomplished for them on The Cross, ........so, they confess sin to try to stay saved, or to be "re-saved" which is even worse.

Listen....Jesus is our Sin Bearer, ..

= “""""God made Jesus who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”"""""

So, If Jesus is your sin bearer then your sins are forgiven, and because He is the "Eternal Sacrifice for Sin"... then you stay forgiven.

Now, if you are just water baptized thinking you are a Christian, then you are not forgiven.

 

[Netchaplain]

So what do you tell the gay peoples claiming to be Christians who claim homosexuality is not a sin when God's Word clearly teaches it is sinful behavior?

Those holding to OSAS doctrine must agree that one can be gay and be a Christian which is what Charles Stanley taught who was considered to be the leading authority on eternal security doctrine.

Here's a video where you can hear him yourself tell a lady that her son is still saved and going to Heaven even though her son turned away from the Lord to be one of the funny peoples (just a few minutes into the video)

Hi, and appreciate the video! Stanley is obviously a false teacher, not preaching the truth, and I think his teachings are still on 91.5 FM, Bott Radio. They should ban his teachings because if anyone teaches anything false, they usually have many other false teachings, though Stanley died in 23 at age 90. It's sometimes difficult to determine one's salvation by some of the things Christian-claiming people do; they may just not understand some Biblical truths yet. But something like being gay is definitely clear (without excuse) in many scriptural passages that condemns this practice; and yes, all homosexuals are unsaved. You must have truth and if one lacks it, it's because they are not truly seeking it! Only those who seek the truth find the truth; "seek, and ye shall find" (Mat 7:7; Luk 11:9):

"God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet" (Rom 1:26, 27).

 

[Dan Clarkston]

But something like being gay is definitely clear (without excuse) in many scriptural passages that condemns this practice; and yes, all homosexuals are unsaved.

Sadly the eternal security peoples have gotten in touch with their inner homosexual and embrace the perverts as being Christian brethren.

They claim if a person just has one moment of faith... they are saved and going to Heaven even if they turn away from the Lord and live like the devil, claiming it's impossible for anybody to ever lose their salvation.

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

They like to play like 2 Peter 2:20 isn't in God's Word along with other warnings from the Lord that prove OSAS is false doctrine.

 

[Helen]

So what do you tell the gay peoples claiming to be Christians who claim homosexuality is not a sin when God's Word clearly teaches it is sinful behavior?

Those holding to OSAS doctrine must agree that one can be gay and be a Christian which is what Charles Stanley taught who was considered to be the leading authority on eternal security doctrine

For my own house , I would tell homosexuals the very same thing that I’d tell *child molesters , *wife beaters , *rapists and * murderers ….
They are all in the same boat , sin is not graded on levels ….
The outcome for the victims sure is …but all sin is a transgression against love . “God IS Love. “
The antidote to sin is Love/God ….Himself .

just saying …
Blessings H

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Well the ecumenical movement which most churches and preachers support these days claims that anybody who says they know "god" is saved and going to Heaven even as they engage in sinful behavior. Sad.

 

[Helen]

Well the ecumenical movement which most churches and preachers support these days claims that anybody who says they know "god" is saved and going to Heaven even as they engage in sinful behavior. Sad.

Why should we care what they say , if we keep our eye firmly on the things of the Spirit He will always lead and guide us into all truth . ( Jesus being , the Way, the Truth , and the Life.)

We get easily distracted when we start looking around and measuring others !

We have our own work cut out for us , if indeed we are wanting to hear “Well done thou good and faithful servant …enter ….”
We ‘drip Jesus‘ on all that we pass by on this journey of life , but our own eye better stay focussed as Paul taught …on the Prize ahead of us. “ Run with patience the race set before us “

 

[PS95]

Well the ecumenical movement which most churches and preachers support these days claims that anybody who says they know "god" is saved and going to Heaven even as they engage in sinful behavior. Sad.

Not sure what you mean by ecumenical preachers with regard to this topic.
I don't think that's a fair analysis of all pastors. You heard the pastor on this thread. It's the same as I've said about conservative Baptist preachers I have asked. They believe that a person who carries on his life in sin was never truly born again.
There is a difference between professing and possessing Christ. However, you may hear evangelicals do what is called an altar call. Is that not what the apostles did in Acts- "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved"..?
Seems you would have a problem with the apostles too. ?
The Lord takes over from there inside of a person, does He not? You seem to want them to give a 6 hour speech will all details. It's a food overload!! spiritual milk is taken in slowly so we don't choke people. I have heard each one of those evangelicals also say- be sure to read your bible, join a bible believing church, and some offer a number to call for Q's.
I would think anyone who responds to an altar call and never picks up a bible or obeys what the pastor ALSO said- they were not sincere from the get-go.
Make sense?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

if indeed we are wanting to hear “Well done thou good and faithful servant …enter ….”

Good and faithful servants warn others... about the warnings in God's Word

We ‘drip Jesus‘ on all that we pass by

I don't recall seeing any scriptures telling us to "drip Jesus"

Sounds like that is just giving out teeny tiny snippets of what the Lord says in His Word instead giving out the whole counsel of God to any an all willing to hear.

People that are just drippin be trippin

 

[Jay Ross]

Sounds like that is just giving out teeny tiny snippets of what the Lord says in His Word instead giving out the whole counsel of God to any an all willing to hear.

Yea, but when you give out enough snippets you have basically give out the whole counsel of God. People handle a drip feeding better than a full-blown dumping of the whole council of God. Providing small snippets of God's counsel allows people to slowly process and assemble God's counsel whereas a full-blown dumping brings on an overloading of brain cells which causes a shutdown of the required processing needed to come to understand what God's counsel actually means.

My experience is that whenever I dump on people what I know, they run for them there hills just to get away from me. Know what I mean.

 

[Helen]

Good and faithful servants warn others... about the warnings in God's Word

I’ve only been walking with the Father for 51 years ( Aug 24 1964)
What I have learned , sometime the hard way, is that unless what we share with others is ‘God breathed ‘ by the Holy Spirit , it profits nothing, …just a legalistic quote of hot air which produces no fruit .
God is a fruit inspector , on That Day He won’t be checking on what we did , He’ll be checking on what fruit we produced “In and through Him “ …Our works are dead works, His works, through us ..are life giving and of the Spirit and abides forever .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Yeah well it's better to be honest with people and let them know that if they don't turn from their sins, get born again by calling upon the Lord Jesus and actually live for the Lord... they will in fact go to hell because that is the Truth

Not saying to say these things with a bad attitude or mean like, but none the less these things must be shared with people.

Not sharing these things is not sharing the foundational gospel message and you'll answer to the Lord for WHY you did not be honest with people as some are saved by hearing the Truth. Not sharing these things is engaging in deception.

The top reason why Christians don't share these things is because they are scared people will get mad at them or won't like them which is the fear of man. The fearful will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8)

It's not hard guys, just ask people up front if you can share the good New of the Gospel of Jesus Christ so they can escape eternity in hell.

Even if they say no they don't want to hear about it, there's enough information within the question to let them know that Jesus Christ is the only way to escape hell. Just say it polite like and most people that don't want to hear will simply say they aren't interested, at which point you know to move on and go fish someplace else.

 

[Helen]

Yeah well it's better to be honest with people and let them know that if they don't turn from their sins, get born again by calling upon the Lord Jesus and actually live for the Lord... they will in fact go to hell because that is the Truth

Not saying to say these things with a bad attitude or mean like, but none the less these things must be shared with people.

Not sharing these things is not sharing the foundational gospel message and you'll answer to the Lord for WHY you did not be honest with people as some are saved by hearing the Truth. Not sharing these things is engaging in deception.

The top reason why Christians don't share these things is because they are scared people will get mad at them or won't like them which is the fear of man. The fearful will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8)

It's not hard guys, just ask people up front if you can share the good New of the Gospel of Jesus Christ so they can escape eternity in hell.

Even if they say no they don't want to hear about it, there's enough information within the question to let them know that Jesus Christ is the only way to escape hell. Just say it polite like and most people that don't want to hear will simply say they aren't interested, at which point you know to move on and go fish someplace else.

I guess I could ask you to tell us if your method - “ just give it to them straight “ has been fruitful in your life of soul-winning . ie how many souls have you actually led to the Lord and nurtured until they were mature enough ? But I won’t put you on the stop.
….maybe you have brought many souls to the foot of the cross ..if so well done.
Yet for myself I have never ever seen this kind of “soul winning” work . Each to their own .

I find that befriending , inviting , helping etc ( which can be tedious ) leads to an openess where the ‘ground‘ is ready for the seed to be sown. After they are saved, it takes even more time ..nurturing and answering all their questions .

But we are all different we move in different ways .
I hope you have born much fruit .
Blessings ….. H

 

[Dan Clarkston]

1 Corinthians 3:7
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

 

[bro.tan]

Many Christians are unaware that they are forgiven for all their sins! Otherwise Scripture could not state that we are already like Jesus (1Jo 4:17). Not in His sinlessness but in His guiltlessness! He knows you don’t want to sin, as Paul was delivered from desiring sin (Rom 7:15, 16, 19, 20, 21), he did not want to sin.

Such is the Christian, already delivered from all sin, because God knows we do not want to sin, but “please” Him (Phl 2:13). If God is not “working“ this “in you,” you aren’t saved yet—you have not been “born again” yet.

Once we are saved God starts “conforming” us to the “image” (walk) of the Lord Jesus (Rom 8:29). This means everyone saved will mature and grow in Christ in the way they live! When we sin we need not ask for forgiveness but instead thank Him for His permanent forgiveness (Heb 10:12). All His “forgiveness” was given at the point of rebirth (1Jn 1:9). He doesn’t have to keep forgiving over and over, it’s “once for all” (Heb 10:10).

There is never a time we aren’t forgiven. This of course concerns only not sinning “willfully” (Heb 10:26). If we intentionally sin it manifests we are unsaved, and do not want to give up the sin. God knows we want to “please Him,” and living without intentional sin is His goal for us. Living this way doesn’t gain salvation—it is a free gift of God (Eph 2:8). He will have only holy believers living for Him!

It of course is the most marvelous thing that we do not owe God for salvation. The Lord Jesus’ sacrifices makes us deserving and “worthy” (Col 1:10; 1Co 11:27; Rev 3:4; 16:6). Remember, Christians have everything the Lord Jesus has, for they are continually being “conformed to Christ’s “image.”

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.
This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[Netchaplain]

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.
This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

Hi Brother, and thanks for the reply! It's my understanding that "The remission of sins that are past" (Rom 3:25) are in reference of the sins of those who believed in God in the OT. It's also my belief that "all sins" are forgiven through Christ (Mar 3:28).

 

[Rockerduck]

I guess I could ask you to tell us if your method - “ just give it to them straight “ has been fruitful in your life of soul-winning . ie how many souls have you actually led to the Lord and nurtured until they were mature enough ? But I won’t put you on the stop.
….maybe you have brought many souls to the foot of the cross ..if so well done.
Yet for myself I have never ever seen this kind of “soul winning” work . Each to their own .

I find that befriending , inviting , helping etc ( which can be tedious ) leads to an openess where the ‘ground‘ is ready for the seed to be sown. After they are saved, it takes even more time ..nurturing and answering all their questions .

But we are all different we move in different ways .
I hope you have born much fruit .
Blessings ….. H

I too take the loving approach. Get to know them and show Christ through you. This is the missionary approach, which plants seeds and let God give the increase.

 

[bro.tan]

Hi Brother, and thanks for the reply! It's my understanding that "The remission of sins that are past" (Rom 3:25) are in reference of the sins of those who believed in God in the OT. It's also my belief that "all sins" are forgiven through Christ (Mar 3:28).

Let's take a look at this....."Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” Romans 6:3-4,

If we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must repent, give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.