Luke 2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; I Chronicles 7:30 speak of this tribe under the 10 tribes of Israel divided by God in I kings 12:19. All of this tribes seeds also called descendants were choice men and brave warriors and outstanding leaders. I Chronicles 7:40At what point did the tribes lose their identity? For Anna was around at the birth of Christ. ThanksVickie
Anna Was Of The Tribe Of Asher In Luke 2:36
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The tribes were lost/scattered did not mean that some were not back and aware of their roots. Anna was a very faithful women from what little was said about her in Scripture, so I think someone so faithful would be aware of her heritage. There is always that faithful remnant.
QUOTE (Denver @ Apr 11 2009, 11:58 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72363
The tribes were lost/scattered did not mean that some were not back and aware of their roots. Anna was a very faithful women from what little was said about her in Scripture, so I think someone so faithful would be aware of her heritage. There is always that faithful remnant.
Hi Denver thanks for your thoughts on Anna. You've heard that until you walk a mile in another's shoes you really can't identify with them. This is true, so very true. Those who are faithful know their heritage/bloodline. If anyone could be a Jew or Israelite of bloodline, you'd step into another dimension, unknown to those who are not of that creation by God. These bloodlines carry a distinctiveness that can not be understood by others unless you have the bloodline. It exceeds understanding. There is a bond between them and the Lord his treasured possession. Gentiles only are grafted into the promises Given to them by God. The bloodline can never be shared, it is distinct. God has made sure these tribes know HIM. For Good and for BAD. The bond between them and God is unexplainable, by human logic. I see it with my children and their relationship and God's hand on them is very strong and profound. They are His children he has raised up for himself. Any human being that hurts these tribes belonging to God will suffer destruction. Just as God said he will destroy all the nations that are coming against them, that will bring Christ here to do just that. Until I personally became involved with this bloodline, I would not have grasp all that I see with God's hand on them, it is so profound, had I not been placed in this tribe through marriage. They are very distinct with their tie to God. Something that is ingrained in them from birth. Something that will not be removed from them through marriage or what ever turns in life they are taken through, it is ingrained in them to be united to God. When we Christians are united and bonded with Christ it shows in us. But ours is spiritual, theirs goes beyond that, they have the bloodline and the spirit of God. There is distinction that can not be lost or removed from them since their creation. Thanks for letting me share what I have come to see with the tribe I have married into and the children given to me from God through that bloodline. They are God's special and created people for HIM EXCLUSIVELY. Let us call ourselves Jews when we are not or claim their heritage when we are not is something I personally will not claim for I know I am a Gentile by calling and by bloodline. Though I live here in America, I will never be of the bloodline of Ephraim or Manasseh or any of the tribes bloodline for it would be a untruth to claim that bloodline which I didn't not inherit at birth. ONLY they did. In Christ's love Vickie
The tribes were lost/scattered did not mean that some were not back and aware of their roots. Anna was a very faithful women from what little was said about her in Scripture, so I think someone so faithful would be aware of her heritage. There is always that faithful remnant.
Hi Denver thanks for your thoughts on Anna. You've heard that until you walk a mile in another's shoes you really can't identify with them. This is true, so very true. Those who are faithful know their heritage/bloodline. If anyone could be a Jew or Israelite of bloodline, you'd step into another dimension, unknown to those who are not of that creation by God. These bloodlines carry a distinctiveness that can not be understood by others unless you have the bloodline. It exceeds understanding. There is a bond between them and the Lord his treasured possession. Gentiles only are grafted into the promises Given to them by God. The bloodline can never be shared, it is distinct. God has made sure these tribes know HIM. For Good and for BAD. The bond between them and God is unexplainable, by human logic. I see it with my children and their relationship and God's hand on them is very strong and profound. They are His children he has raised up for himself. Any human being that hurts these tribes belonging to God will suffer destruction. Just as God said he will destroy all the nations that are coming against them, that will bring Christ here to do just that. Until I personally became involved with this bloodline, I would not have grasp all that I see with God's hand on them, it is so profound, had I not been placed in this tribe through marriage. They are very distinct with their tie to God. Something that is ingrained in them from birth. Something that will not be removed from them through marriage or what ever turns in life they are taken through, it is ingrained in them to be united to God. When we Christians are united and bonded with Christ it shows in us. But ours is spiritual, theirs goes beyond that, they have the bloodline and the spirit of God. There is distinction that can not be lost or removed from them since their creation. Thanks for letting me share what I have come to see with the tribe I have married into and the children given to me from God through that bloodline. They are God's special and created people for HIM EXCLUSIVELY. Let us call ourselves Jews when we are not or claim their heritage when we are not is something I personally will not claim for I know I am a Gentile by calling and by bloodline. Though I live here in America, I will never be of the bloodline of Ephraim or Manasseh or any of the tribes bloodline for it would be a untruth to claim that bloodline which I didn't not inherit at birth. ONLY they did. In Christ's love Vickie
VICKIE,Thanks so much for your last very interesting post. I have been a christian for 44 years and I had never heard of the lost tribes of Israel(and I was bought up in a very strong bible teaching church) until I came to this board.Last year I visited Israel and I'm very interested in the Jewish people.I fully agree with everything you say.
QUOTE (TuiBird @ Apr 12 2009, 09:53 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72439
VICKIE,Thanks so much for your last very interesting post. I have been a christian for 44 years and I had never heard of the lost tribes of Israel(and I was bought up in a very strong bible teaching church) until I came to this board.Last year I visited Israel and I'm very interested in the Jewish people.I fully agree with everything you say.
Thank you for your kind thoughts and reply. There is a distinction with them. Most of what I write is my opinion from my experience.Many have differing opinions and it's okay. What part of Israel did you go to? Vickie
VICKIE,Thanks so much for your last very interesting post. I have been a christian for 44 years and I had never heard of the lost tribes of Israel(and I was bought up in a very strong bible teaching church) until I came to this board.Last year I visited Israel and I'm very interested in the Jewish people.I fully agree with everything you say.
Thank you for your kind thoughts and reply. There is a distinction with them. Most of what I write is my opinion from my experience.Many have differing opinions and it's okay. What part of Israel did you go to? Vickie
Well, does the presence of one member of a tribe of Asher validate a claim? I'm just not so sure about that.For example, the good book of James still addresses these scattered tribes. Does this book then not count for all Christians? The term Hebrew itself is literally those that are over the river (Euphrates) in a very rough translation.Are you familiar with the hypotheses out there regarding the Indo-Europeans and so on (Celts, etc.)? The thing is, we have what we are told in the Bible and the tribes remain scattered abroad. Even the Jews call themselves that which derives from Judah.These are just questions in my mind which seem to undermine the idea that it's as black and white as only those known as Jews explicitly being all Israelites.
QUOTE (TuiBird @ Apr 14 2009, 02:41 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72541
Hi Vickie,Sorry to get off the subject but to answer your question I went to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan for three weeks then into Israel for three weeks.I started in Eilat (right at the bottom beside the Red Sea) and then up Tel Aviv, Jerusalem (what an interesting place that is!)and Haifa, to the Sea of Galilee. The Sea of Galilee was my favourite place being the least changed from Jesus's day I wouldsay. There was much I missed seeing due to festivals and holidays (and no public transport) so I would love to return one day.There is something compelling about the country and many christians return again and again - met someone there on their 9th trip.I would also wonder if God has placed deep inside every Jew a desire to return to live there as I have come across it, even if theydo not believe in God.What does your husband think about that and have you been to Israel?By the way, I write to a couple of people in Israel and I am going to ask them if they know the tribe which they are descended from out of interest.
I do envy you ...Visiting Israel/Jersusalem is certainly something On top of my List of Things to do before I die
Maybe your right we have something embeded in our DNA
I do envy you ...Visiting Israel/Jersusalem is certainly something On top of my List of Things to do before I die
QUOTE (TuiBird @ Apr 14 2009, 04:41 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72541
Hi Vickie, There was much I missed seeing due to festivals and holidays (and no public transport) so I would love to return one day.There is something compelling about the country and many christians return again and again - met someone there on their 9th trip.I would also wonder if God has placed deep inside every Jew a desire to return to live there as I have come across it, even if theydo not believe in God.What does your husband think about that and have you been to Israel?By the way, I write to a couple of people in Israel and I am going to ask them if they know the tribe which they are descended from out of interest.
I think that would be awesome to ask them the question of what tribe are they of. Please PM me and let me know if you should find out. No, I have not been to Israel. (YET) Before we were allowed marriage I had to convert over to Judaism. Attend the Temple for classes to be instructed before I could be married. My husband's family paid for these things. Then living in the customs of the Jews after marriage. My husband's family is considered Orthodox. In my life I kept much in the Old testament teachings, which I consider a strong foundation for understanding about Christ and what has been given for all of us who will believe in Him. I don't know if you are aware of what the bible says in the promises to the tribes, which some is passed on to us, about their inheritance to be in the Holy Land living under Christ as ruler, which is passed on to us, for this is where we Christians will live also, for the boundary lines are going to be extended that we all live there. Thank you for sharing the many places you traveled over there. It is so profound the presence of God's spirit there, I think that makes one want to go back after having been there. Oh, how I long for the day of the Lord's coming to bring us all to our places over there to live eternal life with HIM. Vickie
I think that would be awesome to ask them the question of what tribe are they of. Please PM me and let me know if you should find out. No, I have not been to Israel. (YET) Before we were allowed marriage I had to convert over to Judaism. Attend the Temple for classes to be instructed before I could be married. My husband's family paid for these things. Then living in the customs of the Jews after marriage. My husband's family is considered Orthodox. In my life I kept much in the Old testament teachings, which I consider a strong foundation for understanding about Christ and what has been given for all of us who will believe in Him. I don't know if you are aware of what the bible says in the promises to the tribes, which some is passed on to us, about their inheritance to be in the Holy Land living under Christ as ruler, which is passed on to us, for this is where we Christians will live also, for the boundary lines are going to be extended that we all live there. Thank you for sharing the many places you traveled over there. It is so profound the presence of God's spirit there, I think that makes one want to go back after having been there. Oh, how I long for the day of the Lord's coming to bring us all to our places over there to live eternal life with HIM. Vickie
QUOTE (Denver @ Apr 13 2009, 10:44 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72506
Well, does the presence of one member of a tribe of Asher validate a claim? I'm just not so sure about that.For example, the good book of James still addresses these scattered tribes. Does this book then not count for all Christians? The term Hebrew itself is literally those that are over the river (Euphrates) in a very rough translation.Are you familiar with the hypotheses out there regarding the Indo-Europeans and so on (Celts, etc.)? The thing is, we have what we are told in the Bible and the tribes remain scattered abroad. Even the Jews call themselves that which derives from Judah.These are just questions in my mind which seem to undermine the idea that it's as black and white as only those known as Jews explicitly being all Israelites.
Hi Denver! It's a very valid question to consider. When we are told of the scattering of the tribes in James, it is only in verse one. What I feel that is overlooked in saying the scattering of the 12 tribes, is James is speaking of the Christian believing tribes, not the non believing. For why would James be speaking of the non believing when the letter he has written is clearly to the believer only. Though one could argue the point from the Christian Jews were not really scattered to the ends of the earth. But more to the surrounding nations which is very close in proximity of Jerusalem. Greece, Rome, Syria, Babylon, Lebanon, etc. All the nations spoken of in the N.T. Anna brings the point home of the 12 tribes being in existence, but I would also recognize that James 1:1 brings it home even greater that the tribes are identified by James' statement, having given validation of the full 12 there at the time of Christ and they knowing who they are and who recognized Christ as savior. This for me is confirming that the 12 tribes are not lost. Thanks again for your thoughts and views. Vickie
Well, does the presence of one member of a tribe of Asher validate a claim? I'm just not so sure about that.For example, the good book of James still addresses these scattered tribes. Does this book then not count for all Christians? The term Hebrew itself is literally those that are over the river (Euphrates) in a very rough translation.Are you familiar with the hypotheses out there regarding the Indo-Europeans and so on (Celts, etc.)? The thing is, we have what we are told in the Bible and the tribes remain scattered abroad. Even the Jews call themselves that which derives from Judah.These are just questions in my mind which seem to undermine the idea that it's as black and white as only those known as Jews explicitly being all Israelites.
Hi Denver! It's a very valid question to consider. When we are told of the scattering of the tribes in James, it is only in verse one. What I feel that is overlooked in saying the scattering of the 12 tribes, is James is speaking of the Christian believing tribes, not the non believing. For why would James be speaking of the non believing when the letter he has written is clearly to the believer only. Though one could argue the point from the Christian Jews were not really scattered to the ends of the earth. But more to the surrounding nations which is very close in proximity of Jerusalem. Greece, Rome, Syria, Babylon, Lebanon, etc. All the nations spoken of in the N.T. Anna brings the point home of the 12 tribes being in existence, but I would also recognize that James 1:1 brings it home even greater that the tribes are identified by James' statement, having given validation of the full 12 there at the time of Christ and they knowing who they are and who recognized Christ as savior. This for me is confirming that the 12 tribes are not lost. Thanks again for your thoughts and views. Vickie
Anna of the tribe of Asher being counted within the house of Judah (Judah, Benjamin, Levi) is explained during the split of the two houses of Israel in Solomon's days.
IKing 12:16-21
16 So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents.
17 But as for the children of Israel which dwelt in the cities of Judah, Rehoboam reigned over them.
18 Then king Rehoboam sent Adoram, who was over the tribute; and all Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. Therefore king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem.
19 So Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day.
20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.
21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
(KJV)
When God gave Jeroboam of the house of Joseph to become king over ten tribes of Israel in 1 Kings 11, the above shows some remnants of the ten tribes were already living south in Judea around Jerusalem. Thus a few of any of the ten tribes no doubt decided to stay in Judea and thus became under the "house of Judah", and even later became known as Jews also. But per God's Word at the split, that would have been a small number out of the ten tribes, the majority staying in the northern kingdom under king Jeroboam of Ephraim.
IKing 12:16-21
16 So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents.
17 But as for the children of Israel which dwelt in the cities of Judah, Rehoboam reigned over them.
18 Then king Rehoboam sent Adoram, who was over the tribute; and all Israel stoned him with stones, that he died. Therefore king Rehoboam made speed to get him up to his chariot, to flee to Jerusalem.
19 So Israel rebelled against the house of David unto this day.
20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.
21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
(KJV)
When God gave Jeroboam of the house of Joseph to become king over ten tribes of Israel in 1 Kings 11, the above shows some remnants of the ten tribes were already living south in Judea around Jerusalem. Thus a few of any of the ten tribes no doubt decided to stay in Judea and thus became under the "house of Judah", and even later became known as Jews also. But per God's Word at the split, that would have been a small number out of the ten tribes, the majority staying in the northern kingdom under king Jeroboam of Ephraim.
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