Another Judas question...

[DrBubbaLove]

(Red_Letters88;37361)
BTW...I know im gonna get it for this, but wasnt the betrayal by Judas a necessary betrayal?Im not saying Judas didnt have free will, but these things needed to happen- correct?
There are several ways to understand something as being necessary. One is that a particular result requires something else in order to be realized. A puppy requires a female dog, Creation requires a God for example. Remove the necessary thing, and the result cannot be. Another way to speak of necessity is to differentiate between contingent things (like a coin toss) and non-contingent things (effects of gravity). Judas's betrayal being "necessary" is in the former sense, not the later.Judas has free-will, so his participation in the betrayal is a contingency. IOW he as a choice. So at least until he acts, the outcome has two potential possibilities. However, the betrayal and certain aspects of the manner were foretold, so we can say in that sense that it would be necessary that it happen the way it happened (one of His own, pieces of silver...etc). That kind of necessity does not change Judas's actions from being contingent (result of his choice) to non-contingent (he had no choice). Judas participates in the betrayal by his choices, and his participation results from those choices and is foretold. It is necessary in that sense because how it would happen was known by God and He told a prophet about it.Events can be foretold because that knowledge is given to the prophets by God, who has Perfect Knowledge. Perfect Knowledge would include knowing things that result from contingencies. IOW like every coin toss, God knew before hand the outcome of Judas's decision. God knew before Judas ever lived (or anyone) what choice Judas would make given all the conditions leading up to the point Judas made the choice. God would also know what those conditions would need to be in order for Judas to freely make the choice he did. So the idea God knows everything does not preclude the possibility of God influencing some of those conditions (we have no indication that He did or did not in this case), but Judas still had a choice to make.

 

[n2thelight]

Well my understanding is that he was forgiven,also I don't feel that he killed himself,I think the chief priest and the elders killed him.Matthew 27:3 "Then Judas, which had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,"Judas is the one that betrayed Jesus for the thirty pieces of silver. Judas saw what these religious leaders had done in condemning Jesus by trial, and bringing Him to Pilate to be crucified, and Judas was sorry for what he had done. Now don't read over this. JUDAS REPENTED HIMSELF. This was not the unforgivable sin that Judas committed, and upon repentance there is forgiveness. Matthew 27:4 "Saying, "I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? see thou to that."Notice the pious reaction of these chief priests and elders. There response is what is that to us, we don't care about you. You have to realize that Satan and his own, though they give a flowering speech, when you do their duties and have produced for them, they are finished with you. It is no difference today as then. They used Judas for the betrayal, and then they discarded himThis is an prime example as it will be at the coming of the Antichrist. All those dear souls that believe Satan, the Antichrist is the True Christ will be used by him and discarded in the same manner as Judas. That is Satan's manner and character, and that is also the character of the his offspring, the Kenites, only it will be a spiritual death.Matthew 27:5 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the Temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."hanged - 519 apagchomai (ap-ang'-khom-ahee) from 575 and agcho (to choke; kin to the base of 43); to strangle oneself off (i.e. to death): KJV-- hang himself.Many teach that Judas went out and committed suicide here.Analyze it in the Greek for what really happened. The very word "Hanged" means suffocation. It can even mean suffocation with grief. Lets go to Acts 1 to see what the best account of this event has to say. Christ has arose at this point and the ascension has taken place. Jesus told His disciples to wait in Jerusalem for the forty days, and they would receive the filling of the Holy Spirit of God. It was during this wait the Peter discusses what happened surrounding the events of Judas' death. Acts 1:18; "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." The purchase of the field was made by the Kenite religious leaders, with the thirty pieces of silver that Judas threw on the floor of the temple. Now pay attention: "falling headlong he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." Why was this? Because He was murdered, he was cut wide open, not hanged as some translators would have you believe. Judas was murdered after he repented, He did not commit suicide as the Kenite traditional doctrine would have you believe. Judas was murdered by having his stomach ripped wide open, and all of his insides gushing and pouring out of him. Friend, what happens when you repent, is that God says you are forgiven of all sin, except the one of refusing to allow the Holy Spirit of God to speak through you, turning the time when Satan, the Antichrist is walking on this earth. That time has not come yet, and when Judas repented, that evil act, that sin of betraying our Lord was blotted out, just as every evil act committed today is forgiven when repented before the Lord. It was the Sanhedrin, the high counsel of the Temple was the one that paid the fee to have even Judas delivered up to death, and you have to understand the Kenite mind, to understand why Judas' bowels gushed out. Most of the Christian world has allowed themselves to accept Kenite tradition, over just plain common sense.Their record of this is like the newspaper report in Texas that said the man committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head seven times. The record doesn't add up.This matter made a great deal of difference to Judas, and I hope it causes you to wake up to a lot of other tradition that is just pure nonsense. Friend, the second witness concerning the hanging, states that Judas was murdered after his repentance.