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http://www.christianpost.com/news/homeschooling-not-a-fundamental-right-justice-dept-argues-90039/

Our Justice Dept. is arguing that choosing to educate your own children is not a "fundamental right."




Homeschooling Not a Fundamental Right, Justice Dept. Argues

By Napp Nazworth, Christian Post Reporter
February 14, 2013|8:32 am

In a political asylum case involving a German family that fled to the United States to be able to homeschool their children, the U.S. Justice Department is arguing that the freedom to choose to educate one's own children is not a fundamental right. If the Romeike family, who are evangelical Christians, lose their case and are deported back to Germany, they could face fines, jail time, and their children could even be taken away from them.
Homeschooling is illegal in Germany. The Romeike's did not agree with some of what was taught to their children in the public schools, so they began homeschooling in violation of the law. After paying about $10,000 in fines and watching the police apprehend their children and take them to the public school, they sought political asylum in the United States and immigrated to Tennessee. The Home School Legal Defense Association helped them with the move and now represents them in court.
The Romeike's were granted political asylum by a federal district court judge in Tennessee. Political asylum is granted to refugees who can demonstrate that they are being persecuted for religious reason or because they belong to a "particular social group."
The U.S. government protested the judge's decision and appealed to an immigration appeals court, which ruled against the Romeike's. The case, Romeike v. Holder, is now in the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals.
In a legal brief for the case, Justice Department lawyers argue that Germany did not violate the Romeike's human rights because the ban on homeschooling is a ban for all, not any specific group. Since German law does not prevent, for instance, only evangelical Christians from homeschooling, the Romeike's are not being persecuted for a religious reason, the Justice Department says.
In a blog post for HSLDA, Michael Farris, founder and chairman of the organization, takes exception to this line of legal reasoning, arguing that it ignores individual liberties.
The Justice Department is essentially saying that Germany has violated no one's rights because it banned homeschooling for all, Farris wrote, which means the Justice Department believes there is no fundamental right to homeschool.
"There are two major portions of constitutional rights of citizens – fundamental liberties and equal protection. The U.S. Attorney General has said this about homeschooling. There is no fundamental liberty to homeschool. So long as a government bans homeschooling broadly and equally, there is no violation of your rights. This is a view which gives some acknowledgement to the principle of equal protection but which entirely jettisons the concept of fundamental liberties."
The Justice Dept. is also taking the position that the Romeike's do not meet the definition of a "particular social group" because their faith does not require them to homeschool. The problem with this argument, Farris believes, is that it does not recognize religious liberty as an individual right.
The Romeike's believe they are doing what is best for their children, based upon the teachings of their faith, by providing their children's education themselves and by preventing their children from being exposed to the public school system. For Farris, the freedom to homeschool is essential to freedom of thought – the right to believe what one wants to believe.
Most would find a problem, Farris points out, with forcing Jews to feed their children pork. He equates forcing students to take a particular course of education to force feeding the mind, rather than the body, on a religiously objectionable diet.
"Freedom for the mind and spirit is as important as freedom for the body and spirit," Farris wrote.
German homeschoolers are a persecuted social group in Germany, Farris contends, and in a free nation there should be a fundamental right to homeschool.
The Justice Department argues that governments may legitimately use its authority to force parents to send their kids to government sanctioned schools. Since it takes the position that Germany may do that, it follows that the administration believes it has the right to do that in the United States as well.
"It is important that Americans stand up for the rights of German homeschooling families," Farris concludes. "In so doing, we stand up for our own."


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That is Complete BULL!!!!!!!! I learned more in homeschooling in one year than I did 7 years in school. I hate the world to the fullest
 

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http://www.onlinecollege.org/2011/09/13/15-key-facts-about-homeschooled-kids-in-college/

Just a few examples:

- Homeschoolers often enter college with more credit
- Homeschoolers do better on ACT and SAT
- Homeschoolers GPAs are consistently higher
- Homeschooled students are more likely to attend college
- Homeschooled students are more likely to graduate from college
- Many homeschoolers are National Merit Scholars
- Homeschool students are often in Honors programs
 

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I think the whole issue is more about Governmental control. Parental rights are beginning to diminish and that will definitely have a global impact as pressure begins to be placed on individual govt's to conform to the status quo...We still have that choice available in NZ but it's not a right - it's an alternative. This is one of the most popular [amongst many] home school curriculum's available here.

http://www.homeschoolingnz.org/The_ACE_Curriculum.html

Blessings!!!
 

Foreigner

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I agree that it is about government control.

Why else would they try to fix something that isn't broken?
 

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I read that in the HSLDA Magazine this month or actually, I think it was an email from them but it will surely be in their next magazine. In some States like Texas it is part of their constitution. But, it is another right that is being attacked.

People may want to join HSLDA.org because they will keep you up on what is happening at many levels regarding the onslaught against the U.S. Constitution these days.

Our government, unfortunately has become one that breeds fear because it operates on fear.

What was the Nazi process of mass murder? 20 Steps
1. The started by attacking the Jews in the media. DEMONIZING CONSTITUTIONALISTS
2. Then passing legislation restricting their rights. PATRIOT ACT
3. Restricting them from certain jobs. FACISM
4. Establishing a national police force to enforce the new laws. DHS & TSA. Nazis used the SA or Storm Troopers.
5. Propaganda of terrorism to suspend freedom. Al-Qaeda and GUN OWNERS
6. Government indoctrination through media. RACE CARD & GUN BUY BACK
7. Destroying them economically. BAILOUTS DERIVATIVES BANKSTERS
8. Random beatings and arrests. TSA & NDAA, police violence
9. Disarming them. YOU ARE HERE.
10. Ending freedom speech.
11. Moving you out of your home.
12. Confiscating your property.
13. Put you in a government neighborhood or ghetto
14. Transporting you to a permanent work camp.
15. Separate you from your family. Males and females.
16. Feed you poisonous food.
17. Forced labor and starvation.
18. Ovens and mass executions.
19. Citizen/Jewish Kappos
20. Eugenics and experimentation.

These 20 steps from Nazism that are being repeated today in the U.S.A. were taken from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL63OFIdIIM
 

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Normally I would argue that you are paranoid, but over the last few years simple observation tends to confirm the concerns you are voicing.

For example:

DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition

Federal agency has now acquired enough bullets to wage 30 year war

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
February 7, 2013

The Department of Homeland Security is set to
purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add to the 1.6 billion
bullets it has already obtained over the course of the last 10 months alone,
figures which have stoked concerns that the federal agency is preparing for
civil unrest.

070213dhs.jpg


A solicitation posted yesterday on the Fed Bid website details how the
bullets are required for the DHS Federal Law
Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico.

The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol
cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities
of 100,000 rounds) and 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets
(100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).

The document also lists a requirement for 1.6
million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).

An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition
the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion.
In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agree to provide the DHS with a
maximum of 450 million bullets
over four years, a story that prompted
questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities.

To put that in perspective, during the height of
active battle operations in Iraq,
US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the
figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a
full scale war for almost 30 years.

Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have
stoked fears that the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In
2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed
Immigration and Customs Enforcement to prepare
for a mass influx of immigrants
into the United States, calling for the plan
to deal with the “shelter” and “processing” of large numbers of people.

The federal agency’s primary concern is now
centered around thwarting “homegrown terrorism,” but information produced and
used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political
ideology with domestic extremism.

A study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last
year characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal
authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing”
terrorists.

In August 2012, the DHS censored information relating to the amount of bullets
purchased by the federal agency on behalf of Immigration & Customs
Enforcement, citing an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets,
noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation
that could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law
enforcement officials not be adequately armed.

As we highlighted last month, the DHS’ previous ammunition solicitation was
awarded to Evian Group, an organization that was formed just five days before
the announcement of the solicitation and appeared to be little more than a
front organization since it didn’t have a genuine physical address, a website,
or even a phone number.

While Americans are being browbeaten with rhetoric
about the necessity to give up semi-automatic firearms in the name of
preventing school shootings, the federal government is arming itself to the
teeth with both ammunition and guns. Last September, the
DHS purchased no less than 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles
, labeling
them “Personal Defense Weapons.”

-- In 2008 then candidate Obama called for a domestic security force that is as "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded" as the U.S. military.
This force would operate within the U.S. itself.
I am enclosing the 21 second YouTube clip so that people won't bother saying, "He never said that!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

Strangely enough, he never mentioned it again after that, but now we see DHS purchasing millions of rounds of ammunition.....for what?
 

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Foreigner said:
Normally I would argue that you are paranoid, but over the last few years simple observation tends to confirm the concerns you are voicing.

For example:

DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition

Federal agency has now acquired enough bullets to wage 30 year war

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
February 7, 2013

The Department of Homeland Security is set to
purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add to the 1.6 billion
bullets it has already obtained over the course of the last 10 months alone,
figures which have stoked concerns that the federal agency is preparing for
civil unrest.

070213dhs.jpg


A solicitation posted yesterday on the Fed Bid website details how the
bullets are required for the DHS Federal Law
Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico.

The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol
cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities
of 100,000 rounds) and 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets
(100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).

The document also lists a requirement for 1.6
million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).

An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition
the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion.
In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agree to provide the DHS with a
maximum of 450 million bullets
over four years, a story that prompted
questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities.

To put that in perspective, during the height of
active battle operations in Iraq,
US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the
figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a
full scale war for almost 30 years.

Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have
stoked fears that the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In
2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed
Immigration and Customs Enforcement to prepare
for a mass influx of immigrants
into the United States, calling for the plan
to deal with the “shelter” and “processing” of large numbers of people.

The federal agency’s primary concern is now
centered around thwarting “homegrown terrorism,” but information produced and
used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political
ideology with domestic extremism.

A study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last
year characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal
authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing”
terrorists.

In August 2012, the DHS censored information relating to the amount of bullets
purchased by the federal agency on behalf of Immigration & Customs
Enforcement, citing an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets,
noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation
that could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law
enforcement officials not be adequately armed.

As we highlighted last month, the DHS’ previous ammunition solicitation was
awarded to Evian Group, an organization that was formed just five days before
the announcement of the solicitation and appeared to be little more than a
front organization since it didn’t have a genuine physical address, a website,
or even a phone number.

While Americans are being browbeaten with rhetoric
about the necessity to give up semi-automatic firearms in the name of
preventing school shootings, the federal government is arming itself to the
teeth with both ammunition and guns. Last September, the
DHS purchased no less than 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles
, labeling
them “Personal Defense Weapons.”

-- In 2008 then candidate Obama called for a domestic security force that is as "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded" as the U.S. military.
This force would operate within the U.S. itself.
I am enclosing the 21 second YouTube clip so that people won't bother saying, "He never said that!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

Strangely enough, he never mentioned it again after that, but now we see DHS purchasing millions of rounds of ammunition.....for what?
DHS must be getting ready for a big wild pig hunt in West Texas or maybe they are going to dissolve the Military and DHS is now going to protect us against foreign invaders. Yeah, that's what it must be. Gee, I love my new rose colored glasses.
 

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We are on a "rabbit trail" of "government control". The NEA and the Department of Education would be happy if homeschooling were outlawed because like Germany they don't want a parallel culture (homeschooling) to the government culture (public schools), taking place. They want government oriented thinkers, not independent educated thinkers. The attacks on homeschooling are just another barometric reading of the current administration's goals.

And it is much more difficult to infuse the present cultural thinking (condoms - good, abortion - good, any sexual activity or orientation is good, government is your provider and protector, etc, etc) into people who are not part of the government education culture.
 

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looks like someone has some complaints in their own eye, right foreigner? Knowing how much you enjoy keeping track of all the whiners on the board, you might want to review the OP of this thread. If it isn't poor Israel - it is all about what you are are losing.......
 

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lol poor Aspen.
Another valueless whine-by.
Shouldn't you be out trying to get anti-abortion protesters arrested?
 

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hah! you never let me down foreigner - you are like a little rooster

A gentle breeze brushes past and your strutting around the board, crowing and ruffling!

LOL - well, I never said you were boring.....

carry on now, you got Israel to save and conservative rights to defend at all costs - all before dinner!
 

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I still marvel at how many words you can post and still say...absolutely...nothing.

Must be that Cafeteria Catholicism.
 

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I think I could possibly sympathise with Germany being scared to the allow parents to home educate in case undesirable movements spring up, but making home education illegal is a poor solution.
 

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For Democrats, talk of Rights is usually only a defense of the indefensible things they support (abortion, homosexuality, etc.) When the activity in question is something they don't support, their pretense at supporting Rights vanishes. As long as there's a Democrat in the Whitehouse, don't count on the subordinate DOJ to support our Rights.

It could have been a stinging rebuke of nazi Germany's oppression of religious and human rights for the US to grant asylum to people fleeing Germany to seek religious freedom. Maybe if this family spoke Spanish and just wanted to collect welfare they would have been allowed to stay.
 

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MsMree said:
I think I could possibly sympathise with Germany being scared to the allow parents to home educate in case undesirable movements spring up, but making home education illegal is a poor solution.
Actually I think it's more about catholicism openly ruling in Germany- at least whilst the "pope" was german- that's doing the dictating.


Foreigner said:
I still marvel at how many words you can post and still say...absolutely...nothing.

Must be that Cafeteria Catholicism.
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If the family is being persecuted in Germany for their religious beliefs, I think they should be allowed to seek protection in the US.
 

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aspen2 said:
If the family is being persecuted in Germany for their religious beliefs, I think they should be allowed to seek protection in the US.
Aspen, I agree. Their human rights to educate their children are being violated. I thought USA was big on "human rights".
 

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Axehead said:
Aspen, I agree. Their human rights to educate their children are being violated. I thought USA was big on "human rights".
True and it is sad when sin is thick because of said "human rights".