ARE ALL BIBLE TRANSLATIONS TRUSTWORTHY?

[HealthyShape]

I csannot answer all those. I obtained that info from Josh McDowell. I have no reason to doubt his honesty. YOU CAN CONTACT THAT AUTHOR IF YOU ARE THAT INTERESTED.

I will not contact anybody. It was your claim here, so you should contact him to get the source and to verify the data. Because it is highly suspicious.

According to a quick internet search, it is estimated that about 25% of the NT can be reconstructed from the patristic literature. Some sources claim 8%, some sources claim 70%, some "apologetic sources" claim 99%. It is all over the place, because it is basically impossible to do the work, by humans.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I will not contact anybody. It was your claim here, so you should contact him to get the source and to verify the data. Because it is highly suspicious.

According to a quick internet search, it is estimated that about 25% of the NT can be reconstructed from the patristic literature. And only estimated, because it is basically impossible to do the work, by humans.

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Best I can do. If it is not good enough for you- so be it.

 

[HealthyShape]

Can We Construct The Entire New Testament From the Writings of the Church Fathers? - Cold Case Christianity

I’ve often heard it said that the New Testament is well referenced and attested by the Early Church Fathers of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Century. As an example of this, some researchers have cited Sir David Dalrymple (1726 – 1792AD) a Scottish judge and historian who wrote three volumes on early...

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Best I can do. If it is not good enough for you- so be it.

Did you read the website you gave me? It says he could not verify it. He could not even find the source of the claim.

 

[MonoBiblical]

And if those fragments differ from what we have , it is because god Himself did not want them.

boloney, in the case of 1 John 5:7, which is found in the Syrian as well.

 

[MonoBiblical]

You have a very erroneous view of God! He is not petty.

Yet you believe in everlasting punishments are necessary? Yours is pettier. At least Job, gets an apology

 

[NayborBear]

If you want to say that they were not inspired regarding such important part of eschatology, then there is no point discussing it - they might be simply wrong in any other eschatological claim as well.

I won't "accuse" you like Christ did to "pharasees."
I'll just ask you: "Why do you work so hard at straining gnats, while swallowing camels is neither "trusted nor verified?"

 

[HealthyShape]

I won't "accuse" you like Christ did to "pharasees."
I'll just ask you: "Why do you work so hard at straining gnats, while swallowing camels is neither "trusted nor verified?"

What do you mean, me quoting the New Testament verses? Be specific, instead of this obscure mambo jambo.

 

[NayborBear]

What do you mean, me quoting the New Testament verses? Be specific, instead of this vague mambo jambo.

Tisn't the quoting.
Tis your interpretation and understanding.

 

[HealthyShape]

Tisn't the quoting.
Tis your interpretation and understanding.

Jesus said "this generation". Sticking to what He said is not something I should apologize for, I hope.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Did you read the website you gave me? It says he could not verify it. He could not even find the source of the claim.

Best I could find. You can either trust them or not. Your choice.

 

[HealthyShape]

Best I could find. You can either trust them or not. Your choice.

Trust them with what? "They" (one person) says he could not even find the source of that claim. So, the webpage you found is not useful. Again, did you read it?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

boloney, in the case of 1 John 5:7, which is found in the Syrian as well.

Sorry, but the earliest manuscript that has this is a 14th century Latin-Greek Manuscript and then was a side note.

The comma is found in 11 extant Greek manuscripts, numerous Greek lectionaries, the majority of NT Latin manuscripts, and Syriac manuscripts. It is printed in medieval English Bible translations before KJV, medieval French, German, Spanish, and Bohemian translations.

GREEK MSS​

There are five manuscripts containing the Comma in text, and six in margins:

In the body text:

1. Codex Ottobonianus / Minuscule 629. Vulgate & Byzantine type (bilingual), 14th century, in Vatican Library, Vatican city
2. Codex Montfortianus (Erasmus named it Codex Britannicus) / Minuscule 61. Vulgate & Byzantine type (bilingual), 1520 AD, in Trinity College, Dublin.
3. Minuscule 918. Byzantine type, 16th century, in Monasterio y Sitio de El Escorial en Madrid, Spain
4. Minuscule 2473. 1634 AD, in National Library, Athens, Greece
5. Minuscule 2318. 18th century, in Romanian Academy, Bucharest, Romania

In margin:

1. Minuscule 221. Byzantine type, 10th century, in Bodleian Library, University of Oxford, UK
2. Minuscule 177. Byzantine type, 11th century, in Bavarian State Library, Munich, Germany
3. Minuscule 635. 11th century, in Biblioteca Nazionale Vittorio Emanuele III, Italy
4. Codex Regis / Minuscule 88. Mixed type, 12th century, in Biblioteca Nazionale Vittorio Emanuele III, Italy
5. Minuscule 429. Byzantine type, 14th century, in Herzog August Library, Wolfenbüttel, Germany
6. Minuscule 636. 15th century, in Biblioteca Nazionale Vittorio Emanuele III, Italy

From : Apologetics 101.com

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yet you believe in everlasting punishments are necessary? Yours is pettier. At least Job, gets an apology

I believe in everlasting punishment for the bible teaches it. I would have done things differently, but I am not God-,God is and He declared it.

 

[Behold]

Yet you believe in everlasting punishments are necessary?

Holy God's eternal justice against sin, requires judgment.

Jesus died on The Cross to take this Judgment against our sin......in our place.......upon Himself.

If this never happens, then Hell is waiting as the initiation of God's Judgement against this situation.


JOHN 3:36

 

[HealthyShape]

boloney, in the case of 1 John 5:7, which is found in the Syrian as well.

Where in Syriac? Peshitta does not have it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Trust them with what? "They" (one person) says he could not even find the source of that claim. So, the webpage you found is not useful. Again, did you read it?

I did! And I do not fret over this claim. I have read much of the 20 volume works of the ante-Nicene fathers and have found enormous quotes and near quotes of the OT. I can take Josh McDowells word for it. If you do not wish to- that is fine. I just know the ancients quoted heavily from the letters that became Scripture and copied them as a portion of a letter to other churches. So to me it is entirely feasible that all but 27 verses are sourced by the ancients in their writings.

 

[HealthyShape]

I did! And I do not fret over this claim. I have read much of the 20 volume works of the ante-Nicene fathers and have found enormous quotes and near quotes of the OT. I can take Josh McDowells word for it. If you do not wish to- that is fine. I just know the ancients quoted heavily from the letters that became Scripture and copied them as a portion of a letter to other churches. So to me it is entirely feasible that all but 27 verses are sourced by the ancients in their writings.

Why 27, why not 25 or 250? These are just random numbers, because nobody did the work. Nobody even defined what it should mean (which authors and works should be included, exactly).

 

[MonoBiblical]

Sorry, but the earliest manuscript that has this is a 14th century Latin-Greek Manuscript and then was a side note.

Did I not say the Syrian version has the comma?

 

[MonoBiblical]

I believe in everlasting punishment for the bible teaches it. I would have done things differently, but I am not God-,God is and He declared it.

You only think the bible teaches it.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Where in Syriac? Peshitta does not have it.

Old Syriac has it.

Per,

The Historical Defense of 1 John 5: 7-8: The Unjustly Exscinded Text of the Three Divine Witnesses Paperback – February 1, 2019​

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