Are science and Christianity compatible?
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I think this can't be answered conclusively. For example, you say that 'science' tells us that there is no evidence to support the flood...and probably have read that very thing. But I say that 'science' does support the flood, and I know I have read such a thing!! There are many differing factions within the world of science. Some say that science has killed God, while other, very respected scientists say that it in fact tells us that there has to be a God.
It's an interesting question. I always fall back on this: if the science backs up what God tells me in scripture...then the science is accurate! I trust God more than men with lab coats!
It's an interesting question. I always fall back on this: if the science backs up what God tells me in scripture...then the science is accurate! I trust God more than men with lab coats!
I lean pretty heavily towards "all truth is God's truth."
Back in high school I had a completely non-religious and atheist professor make this statement: "75% of what I will tell you this semester is a lie. By the time you go on to college and beyond, many of these theories and suppositions will be proven false. They'll be exchanged for better ideas" An honest and candid assessment to say the least. I think it's entirely accurate. In my chance to work with elements of the medical field, I've seen firsthand what we don't know about our own bodies, mine included. I enjoy science; I always have. Astronomy continues to amaze me. I'm excited about new discoveries and I like chemistry.
I'm so entirely sick of opinions that science and theology/Christianity are somehow at odds. Frankly that stems from ignorance on both sides. I think the cult of science is just as dangerous as any fundamentalist religious cult. I think a technocracy is what many who want absolute power desire most because of this illusion of constant progress and the latest knowledge.
Either the God of Christianity is an absolute or He is not. Either Jesus is absolute, or He is not. Our faith depends upon it. At it's core, science means knowledge, literally. I think in an effort to advance, we've developed this notion that we can model and develop reasonable conclusions for many things which we cannot see or analyze. It parallels our foray into relativism.
At the core, God is truth.
Back in high school I had a completely non-religious and atheist professor make this statement: "75% of what I will tell you this semester is a lie. By the time you go on to college and beyond, many of these theories and suppositions will be proven false. They'll be exchanged for better ideas" An honest and candid assessment to say the least. I think it's entirely accurate. In my chance to work with elements of the medical field, I've seen firsthand what we don't know about our own bodies, mine included. I enjoy science; I always have. Astronomy continues to amaze me. I'm excited about new discoveries and I like chemistry.
I'm so entirely sick of opinions that science and theology/Christianity are somehow at odds. Frankly that stems from ignorance on both sides. I think the cult of science is just as dangerous as any fundamentalist religious cult. I think a technocracy is what many who want absolute power desire most because of this illusion of constant progress and the latest knowledge.
Either the God of Christianity is an absolute or He is not. Either Jesus is absolute, or He is not. Our faith depends upon it. At it's core, science means knowledge, literally. I think in an effort to advance, we've developed this notion that we can model and develop reasonable conclusions for many things which we cannot see or analyze. It parallels our foray into relativism.
At the core, God is truth.
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Science supports theology. I think what where science doesn't go right are the dates, either that or our documentation doesn't support the dates.
So, seeing that there is scientific evidence that the earth was once flooded, or atleast covered with water, supports the "great flood" of Genisis. However, since the biggest problems between science and theology is time, we can also use Einstein for this.........
"Time is relative to the observer."
So, seeing that there is scientific evidence that the earth was once flooded, or atleast covered with water, supports the "great flood" of Genisis. However, since the biggest problems between science and theology is time, we can also use Einstein for this.........
"Time is relative to the observer."
Selene
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All truths is God's truth. There are some things discovered in science that have already proven to be true, which is the reason we are able to build airplanes, buildings, submarines, etc. All these things built by man are truths in nature planted by God so that man can discover them on his own. As our Catechism says:
CCC 159 Faith and science: "Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth." "Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are."
CCC 2293 Basic scientific research, as well as applied research, is a significant expression of man's dominion over creation. Science and technology are precious resources when placed at the service of man and promote his integral development for the benefit of all. By themselves however they cannot disclose the meaning of existence and of human progress. Science and technology are ordered to man, from whom they take their origin and development; hence they find in the person and in his moral values both evidence of their purpose and awareness of their limits.
True science will always support God's Word, and visa versa. But just as the enemies of God have existed since Cain in God's Eden, there has always been their anti-truth working in this world attempting to prove things against Him. That's why pseudo-science also exists, developed for those who refuse to believe God's Word. God allows that false working to exist for this world, as a test upon us to see who we will listen to and follow.
Many scientists within the scientific community are not interested in truth to the point of intentionally subverting anyone who wants to explore outside the approved norms.
I have see the movie, "Expelled" hosted by Ben Stein a number of times with different people.
Outstanding scientists in major universitites that, through their own non-religion based opinions want to explore the idea of Intelligent Design are having their funding cut or withdrawn, being censured or outright fired.
I encourage you not to take my word on that but see the movie for yourself. That way you see it isn't a 'sky is falling' type of movie but rather one that is based on sad fact.
I have see the movie, "Expelled" hosted by Ben Stein a number of times with different people.
Outstanding scientists in major universitites that, through their own non-religion based opinions want to explore the idea of Intelligent Design are having their funding cut or withdrawn, being censured or outright fired.
I encourage you not to take my word on that but see the movie for yourself. That way you see it isn't a 'sky is falling' type of movie but rather one that is based on sad fact.
I saw the movie Expelled. Dr. Steven Meyer was my philosophy teacher at the college I attended. One of my friends from college works with him at the Discovery Institute. Note, he has a doctorate in Philosophy, not Astronomy, Biology, or Physics.
I did find the movie to be sensational, but it is true that scientists are concerned about ID (which they consider to be philosophy) being accepted as a branch of science. The problem with their viewpoint in my opinion, is not that ID is actually science; it is that evolution is actually philosophy.
I did find the movie to be sensational, but it is true that scientists are concerned about ID (which they consider to be philosophy) being accepted as a branch of science. The problem with their viewpoint in my opinion, is not that ID is actually science; it is that evolution is actually philosophy.
Near the end of that Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed documentary, Ben Stein interviews Richard Dawkins, one of the leading evolutionist writers in Britain. Stein got Dawkins to admit his ultimate basis for evolution was by faith, and not by actual proof.
I think Science is wonderful, God gave Science to us, however, man has decided to seek the way of good and evil. I like the ways of God and when I infuse the ways of God (that I understand) into my understandings of Science, I see a slightly different beginning and ending.
For Example:
Because I believe God is a giving God (in all occasions), I understand (what we call) the "Big Bang" to be executed not from a pulling force, but, from a giving force — omnidirectional energy, the workings (energia) of God, into a mass point to create matter and mass.
From this point of view, I see only life, from the beginning to the ending. I can then see the Light at the beginning and the ending is the Light of God and not the light of the universe. Moreover, I can see the Light of God being transformed into matter and mass according to the mathematics extant. A new beginning requires an equality in the ending to be the Light of Life — defined in the Words of God as Christ Jesus the Son of God and the Light of the World — the Beginning and the Ending and the very Spirit of God the Father.
When I see the working (Gk., energia) of God, I am able to partake of the Tree of Life which defines a place where there is no death, and the resultant end given to us by Christ Jesus the beginning.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. The Spirit, Life and the Light of God are above and prior to the things of the earth and that which is created by them/Him.
When I perceptually/conceptually think of an act of giving from the beginning, I can see the ending predicated upon the beginning. When all of the mathematical processes of man are based/predicated on giving, the end will not come via weapons of death and destruction, but, the ending will come through the vision given us by the Son and the Lamb of God who is the temple of Light that all nations will walk within.
Rev 21:
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Christ Jesus is the beginning..."In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
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For Example:
Because I believe God is a giving God (in all occasions), I understand (what we call) the "Big Bang" to be executed not from a pulling force, but, from a giving force — omnidirectional energy, the workings (energia) of God, into a mass point to create matter and mass.
From this point of view, I see only life, from the beginning to the ending. I can then see the Light at the beginning and the ending is the Light of God and not the light of the universe. Moreover, I can see the Light of God being transformed into matter and mass according to the mathematics extant. A new beginning requires an equality in the ending to be the Light of Life — defined in the Words of God as Christ Jesus the Son of God and the Light of the World — the Beginning and the Ending and the very Spirit of God the Father.
When I see the working (Gk., energia) of God, I am able to partake of the Tree of Life which defines a place where there is no death, and the resultant end given to us by Christ Jesus the beginning.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. The Spirit, Life and the Light of God are above and prior to the things of the earth and that which is created by them/Him.
When I perceptually/conceptually think of an act of giving from the beginning, I can see the ending predicated upon the beginning. When all of the mathematical processes of man are based/predicated on giving, the end will not come via weapons of death and destruction, but, the ending will come through the vision given us by the Son and the Lamb of God who is the temple of Light that all nations will walk within.
Rev 21:
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Christ Jesus is the beginning..."In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Blessings
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I see no reason whatsoever why science and religion ought to be at odds. Science, after all, is the quest to understand the workings of the universe. Science is safe, it is strong, it is tested. It also readily admits it doesn't know everything, which is why people who use it to try and "disprove" religion are really missing the entire point of it. Science may point us one direction today, but another tomorrow, and any good scientist will readily admit that. Whereas Christ offers assurance, He offers us steadfast certainty. All science does is attempt to help us understand a world that God made for us. There's no conflict here except one that man makes for himself.
Robbie
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Depends on if man's perception based on observation tries to in some way limit God... since with God nothing is impossible...
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