Are The elect saved before they believe the gospel ?

[savedbygrace57]

(preciousmessage;24348)
Here is God’s testimony of love, mercy and compassion ... “And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD GOD, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth.” Exodus 34 6. [/COLOR]Here is your testimony of love, mercy and compassion: I dont think you are thinking in a coherant manner …God only saves His elect, the rest are blinded and destined to eternal ruin.. [According to scripture God wishes all to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4] you just mouthing off... I believe you are an unbeliever... God only Loves His elect...God only saves His elect, the rest are blinded and destined to eternal ruin.. [God so loved the WORLD] …I am sure you know absolutely nothing of biblical love..you just mouthing off... [Since you know everything, "you're" just mouthing off would be more correct.] I consider your questions foolish an unlearned, I look at your posts , I dont think you have biblical sense at all, just being honest with you.. I believe you are an unbeliever... Ditto you need not ask a bunch of questions until you are born again sir..You have rejected scripture for your own philosophy..I dont have time to keep answering your questions.. I consider your questions foolish an unlearned, I look at your posts , I dont think you have biblical sense at all, just being honest with you.. I dont think you are thinking in a coherant manner sorry. …Ditto you need not ask a bunch of questions until you are born again sir..You have rejected scripture for your own philosophy..I dont have time [for you] to keep answering your questions.. [ A true kind hearted response, ironic] … You have not answered any ,but that's a good cop out. I consider your questions foolish an unlearned, I look at your posts , I dont think you have biblical sense at all, just being honest with you.. I believe ones testimony is false does not mean I hate them..lol [but I love to laugh at them] .. I judge by the gospel standard as does paul [the gospel is “Good News!” not bad hateful “Bad News.” Right I have no answers for your foolish unlearned questions none , until God gives you newbirth, if He does.. I dont think you have biblical sense at all.God is love.
God is Love only to His Chosen people thats it..all you have done is taken scriptures out of context sir, all who believe a different gospel than the one paul declared which you do is to be accursed...And you are ignorant to Gods Love...you really and truly are..

 

[n2thelight]

savedbygrace57
Right I have no answers for your foolish unlearned questions none , until God gives you newbirth, if He does..
Being that I really don't need your answers,its all good,my opinion,you really need to grow up,and not just in the word.In the mean time and in between time,talking to you is a waste of time,so I will stop here,but I will leave you with these versesMatthew 7:1 "Judge not that ye be judged."You choose the type of life that you will have by the way that you deal with others. Matthew 7:2 "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."This word judgment is better translated "criticized". The same degree that you level on others, is the yardstick that they will us use in their criticism of your actions. What ever you measure [however stingy you are] to others, is the same way they will use in their actions with you. What you give to others is what you will get back yourself. This is God's way of doing things. If you try to take a good man down, then God will see to it that your taken down also. Matthew 7:3 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"A "mote" is a real tiny spot of dust, and in the spiritual analogy used here, it is saying; why do you look at the very smallest sin that is in your brother's life, and you have a huge sin [beam] in your own life. This has a great deal to do with whether you have eyes to see the spiritual insight into God's word. One that has eyes to see, understands the plan of God, and will not be so critical of his brother, but will be out to help his brother.It is human nature to overlook the sin in your own life.Matthew 7:4 "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, 'Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;' and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"One of the greatest sins in the world is to judge someone for their sin, for that makes you the judge taking God's place, and you don't belong there. If you don't have spiritual eyes to see, there is really no way to help the other person. You must first clear your own eye, before you can help your brother. Matthew 7:5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."No person will except your help, until they are ready to be helped. You can caution them, and plant seeds of the Scriptures, but until that person asks you for help, and is open for your words, what you say just won't take root. Be very patient with those new converts that are in the process of learning. Matthew 7:6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."This is referring to Proverbs 9: 7; "He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: And he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot." blot - 3971 m'uwm usually muwm-blemish, spot, defect a) used of physical defect

used of moral stainIf you go out to some stiffed necked drunk, and try to give your pearls of wisdom to him, he is liable to set you back on your rear, and make your nose a blot. When you try to preach to a wicked man, he will mock you for even trying. He doesn't have any sense or knowledge concerning God's Word.Proverbs 9:8; "Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee:" When we criticize a mocker of Scripture, he in turn, turns that scorn back on us. The purpose in God's plan is to convict and make the sinner condemn himself.; to see his own sin, and repent of those sins. This is how it should be: Proverbs 9:9; "Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning." Spend your time where it counts, and the Scriptures are ready to be received.Proverbs 9:10; "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: And the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Applied common sense is what most of the understanding of God'sWord consists of.

 

[savedbygrace57]

(n2thelight;24452)
savedbygrace57Being that I really don't need your answers,its all good,my opinion,you really need to grow up,and not just in the word.In the mean time and in between time,talking to you is a waste of time,so I will stop here,but I will leave you with these versesMatthew 7:1 "Judge not that ye be judged."You choose the type of life that you will have by the way that you deal with others. Matthew 7:2 "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."This word judgment is better translated "criticized". The same degree that you level on others, is the yardstick that they will us use in their criticism of your actions. What ever you measure [however stingy you are] to others, is the same way they will use in their actions with you. What you give to others is what you will get back yourself. This is God's way of doing things. If you try to take a good man down, then God will see to it that your taken down also. Matthew 7:3 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"A "mote" is a real tiny spot of dust, and in the spiritual analogy used here, it is saying; why do you look at the very smallest sin that is in your brother's life, and you have a huge sin [beam] in your own life. This has a great deal to do with whether you have eyes to see the spiritual insight into God's word. One that has eyes to see, understands the plan of God, and will not be so critical of his brother, but will be out to help his brother.It is human nature to overlook the sin in your own life.Matthew 7:4 "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, 'Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;' and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?"One of the greatest sins in the world is to judge someone for their sin, for that makes you the judge taking God's place, and you don't belong there. If you don't have spiritual eyes to see, there is really no way to help the other person. You must first clear your own eye, before you can help your brother. Matthew 7:5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."No person will except your help, until they are ready to be helped. You can caution them, and plant seeds of the Scriptures, but until that person asks you for help, and is open for your words, what you say just won't take root. Be very patient with those new converts that are in the process of learning. Matthew 7:6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."This is referring to Proverbs 9: 7; "He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: And he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot." blot - 3971 m'uwm usually muwm-blemish, spot, defect a) used of physical defect

used of moral stainIf you go out to some stiffed necked drunk, and try to give your pearls of wisdom to him, he is liable to set you back on your rear, and make your nose a blot. When you try to preach to a wicked man, he will mock you for even trying. He doesn't have any sense or knowledge concerning God's Word.Proverbs 9:8; "Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee:" When we criticize a mocker of Scripture, he in turn, turns that scorn back on us. The purpose in God's plan is to convict and make the sinner condemn himself.; to see his own sin, and repent of those sins. This is how it should be: Proverbs 9:9; "Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning." Spend your time where it counts, and the Scriptures are ready to be received.Proverbs 9:10; "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: And the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Applied common sense is what most of the understanding of God'sWord consists of.
You are not a believer either..you have not posted one thing in context and truth..lol

 

[Unorthodox Christian]

WOW!savedbygrace57 is officially on ignore

 

[preciousmessage]

(Unorthodox Christian;24751)
WOW!savedbygrace57 is officially on ignore
I perhaps made the mistake of feeding into #57 too many times, attempting to share God's mercy and love for all sinners. “The sun by the action of the heat makes wax moist, and mud dry, pardoning the one while it softens the other, by the same operations producing exactly opposite results; thus from the long-suffering of God some derive benefit, and others harmed, some are softened while others are hardened.”Jake