Are we under any covenants?

[GRACE ambassador]

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between Israel and God.

Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel. The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 5:2

The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel (Heb 8:13, 12:24).

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord;…” – Hebrews 8:10

And again in Jeremiah:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:” – Jeremiah 31:31

Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,

“…to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;…” Romans 9:4

Gentiles and the Body of Christ

The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time past as well as those in the body of Christ today are not a part of the covenants.

Paul says,

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:” – Ephesians 2:12

In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow the provisions of the covenant. (See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?” for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive work of Christ on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by God’s grace that we receive eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation. Otherwise grace would not be grace (Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for any nation today.

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.” – Romans 11:32

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers today are of the same body
and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel of the grace of God (Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the
mercy and the grace of God apart from our adherence to any covenant given in time past, we receive it by faith
(Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)

Amen.

 

[MatthewG]

There are a lot of differing covenants, Grace. (From NASB 1995 Text - Thompson Chain Reference

 

[Duck Muscles]

Are we to understand the Redemption covenant, the new covenant, is only for Israel and Jews?
Or, does not qualify as a covenant?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Are we to understand the Redemption covenant, the new covenant, is only for Israel and Jews?
Or, does not qualify as a covenant?

Precious friend:

1) Yes.

2) No, the new covenant qualifies as a covenant.

Amen.

 

[Duck Muscles]

Precious friend:

1) Yes.

2) No, the new covenant qualifies as a covenant.

Amen.

So, for clarification, only Jews are invited into the new covenant?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

So, for clarification, only Jews are invited into the new covenant?

Precious friend, according To The Scriptures, God Will Do What He Has Inspired To Be Written:

“Behold, the days come, saith The LORD, that I Will Make a new​

covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”​

– Jeremiah 31:31​

Amen.

 

[Duck Muscles]

Precious friend, according To The Scriptures, God Will Do What He Has Inspired To Be Written:

“Behold, the days come, saith The LORD, that I Will Make a new​

covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”​

– Jeremiah 31:31​

Amen.

Forgive my lack of understanding here.

Where do the gentiles fit in. Under what tribe or house do non-Jews belong?

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Forgive my lack of understanding here.

Where do the gentiles fit in. Under what tribe or house do non-Jews belong?

Precious friend, no problem; when we study God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, we find:

The Nation of Israel is found in God's Prophetic Program consisting of earthly
covenants and law [ Gentiles could join as proselytes ]
(Genesis - Acts 8; Hebrews - Revelation ) [ Now "On Hold!" ]

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

Today, Under Grace, unbelieving Jews and Gentiles can be saved By Grace, and Spiritually
Baptized Into The [ Heavenly ] Body Of Christ [ no more ethnicity ] Is found in God's
Other [ Now Active! ] Program of:

"The Revelation Of The Mystery" (Acts 9 - Romans through Philemon AV)

Praying this is helpful to you, precious friend...

Amen.

 

[Duck Muscles]

Precious friend, no problem; when we study God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, we find:

The Nation of Israel is found in God's Prophetic Program consisting of earthly
covenants and law [ Gentiles could join as proselytes ]
(Genesis - Acts 8; Hebrews - Revelation ) [ Now "On Hold!" ]

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

Today, Under Grace, unbelieving Jews and Gentiles can be saved By Grace, and Spiritually
Baptized Into The [ Heavenly ] Body Of Christ [ no more ethnicity ] Is found in God's
Other [ Now Active! ] Program of:

"The Revelation Of The Mystery" (Acts 9 - Romans through Philemon AV)

Praying this is helpful to you, precious friend...

Amen.

Lots to take in there. Thank you for taking the time.

 

[Cyd]

Lots to take in there. Thank you for taking the time.

Hi Duck,
If you would have clicked the link put in the post you would see that GRACE ambassador is in fact a church up north in USA that teaches and preaches Paul exclusively. The speaking of covenants you would have to maybe ask them why Almighty God had them circumcise all the even servants all of the household. Knowing that they are in the USA I would bet almost all the males are in fact circumcised even. If you want to know their teachings look at the link.. they do not address any LGBTQ I found but gives you an understanding of GRACE here on this forum ok.
God Bless you for asking they had someone else answer from the church it seems.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Lots to take in there. Thank you for taking the time.

Precious Duck Muscles, you are Quite Welcome...

 

[Behold]

In the Old Testament you have an old covenant.

Whereas...Christ is the mediator of The New Covenant, that is the New Testament, that testifies regarding the Cross of Christ that is the Blood Atonement....... that is a specific eternal covenant between a Born Again Believer and God.

In the OT, there was no covenant that could put you here...>"IN Christ".. ."ONE with God".

In the NT, the CROSS of Christ is the NEW covenant eternal Blood Atonement = offering, that is the "Gift of Salvation" that will restore you into eternal spiritual union with God.

How do you access that Eternal Covenant?

A.) By FAITH in Christ