Oiy Vey!Here is the post that was supposed to go with the original title for this thread.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shalom,Scripture references are from,the SET (Stone Edition Tanach) or the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) for the OTand the PNT (Power New Testament) for the NT unless otherwise specified.Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.Salvation "comes" through no other method but that we accept Y'SHUA as our SAVIOR. Then however, we must make Him LORD. To do this we must then "follow" Him (Lk 9:23) and that leads us to living a life that is CHRIST-like or we do not have the love of YHVH within us. This is the ongoing life that is known as SOZO in the Greek. This is what takes us to the point of being saved. Until then, according to The Bible, we are merely "Believers"...Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed.Just as my Jewish forefathers and my father had to awake out of our slumber so must the so-called "church" if it is to be "saved." To this Y'SHUA said...Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.Today the "church" does the same thing and has lulled the people to sleep! They think they are "saved" when they are NOT. They are like the five virgins with no oil; 'Somehow we will make it, maybe the others will share?' Sorry but if you are not living the life of Y'SHUA after you accepted the life of Y'SHUA then you have nothing! Nothing but words. If there is no real heart expressing change in your life from the time before you accepted Y'SHUA then you have nothing but words.Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.No works, no salvation!Jam 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.Jam 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:Jam 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.Jam 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.Jam 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion [is] vain.Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world....No works, no salvation!Jam 2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?Jam 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,Jam 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit?Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?No works, no salvation!jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?Jam 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.Jam 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.No works, no salvation!Works should be the natural result of a change in heart from a heart based in the world and one based in YHVH. If after one accepts Y'SHUA there are no resultant changes within that person then they have nothing but words! If there is the change then they have the "Promise" of salvation as long as they live in that "Promise"...Rom 11:22 if you would remain in the goodness, otherwise you would be cut off.Unlike others I do not ask you to believe ME! I give you The Word of YHVH and ask you to believe HIM?If you reject what I am putting before you, that is your problem because you will be the one standing before YHVH when HE asked why did you not believe and live HIS Word unto salvation?I feel sorry for anyone who thinks they are "saved" on this earth for you make a mockery of the Word of YHVH, for you are gambling with your life...Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.What are you doing?Are you mocking YHVH?