Basic Bible Salvation

[Bro Steve Winter]

Basic Bible Salvation
Sharing from http://biblefolk.com/forum/topic/114 Click link to read entire article.

Basic Bible salvation, what subject could be more important in this hour in which the last moments in the history of mankind fill the headlines with their fury.
What subject angers the sweet talking false preacher like the subject of basic Biblical salvation? There is a reason for that, you know.
Some would teach you that the Bible is not comprehendible so you might as well not try, but I believe that the Bible is there for us to understand.

Isaiah 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

God declares did not give his Word to confuse or alienate people. He gave it to show us the way and give us true light and understanding. Even a fool will stand before God without excuse.

Psalms 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

How many have ever walked in an unfamiliar area without any light, yet so many choose to exercise their God given free will to do just that with their spiritual path?
If we want true salvation then we need to reject the man made fables of the worldly man made religions, we must instead look at what was taught by Jesus Christ, then preached upon His authority by Peter, and then practiced by the Apostles faithfully. If we do that then we see two essential elements that make up the Christian new birth. Those elements are water and spirit. These truths do not contradict the scriptures regarding belief but provide the foundation upon which to exercise true Biblical belief, which is based upon obedience (another concept that
the false-christians really hate).

The false-christian needs to face reality. Was Noah saved by grace through faith by the mercy of God? Would not he have drowned if he had refused to obey and build the ark? Was Noah somehow waterproof? Don't let your false preacher take you down, friend.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

#christian #christianity #philosophy #apostolic #religion #pentecostal #jesus #christ #bible #biblestudy #catholic

 

[RANDOR]

I thank Jesus He was there when I cried out

 

[DPMartin]

I don’t know what bible you’ve been reading, but in the scriptures written by the Hebrews for and to the Hebrews or Jews if you like , are always based on God says, God does what he says.

(note that this is with the understanding that what was preserved and is now in the NT that is of Apostle Paul wrote was mostly to gentiles with the understanding that these gentiles he was writing to where grafted into the promises afforded to the Jew in the Word of God)

If those who are informed of what God says, and believe and or trust what God says, then they respond according to what God says knowing it to be the Truth. No one need faith to believe the floods where coming when the floods where coming in the case of Noah. If everyone had the time to respond to what they realized was happening they would have also built boats. But Noah was informed by God and Noah’s relationship with the Lord his God was such that he believed and trusted what God said and that God was going to do what he said, just as if Noah had seen the floods coming. Therefore acted upon what he believed and trusted. (Faith) You act on what you believe and or trust. (Faith) And that faith in what ever it is you’ve place it on, or in, that is what you will act and react on.
Those who don’t act as if what the Lord our God says is true, have placed their faith into something other than our Lord Jesus Christ. And act on that faith. Don’t get it backwards,in James 2

21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
(Note perfect in true British use is to mean to be fulfilled, to be complete)
23: And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Simple, if you believe you act on it, but if you don’t believe this, then you act on that which you do believe. You are correct about getting the religiousness (man’s interpretations) out of one’s understanding of Christ. But get it out of yourself first. Abraham didn’t act out of something he choose to do to prove to God something did he? Abraham acted on his belief and trust in the Lord his God and what the Lord his God told him to do. And if God didn’t tell Abraham to do something then Abraham wouldn’t have done anything that he passed on to his children as something God told him to do.

 

[Bro Steve Winter]

Hebrews is a letter to real Acts 2:38 Christians.

Bro. Winter

I thank Jesus He was there when I cried out

Same here and then He led me to hear the truth so that I could obey Acts 2:38 and become a Christian.

Bro. Winter

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

I thank Jesus He was there when I cried out

You appear to be someone who knows and understands basic salvation

Unlike some folks here who think they need 10,000 words ....

 

[Bro Steve Winter]

The demons in Legion cried out, acknowledged Jesus as Lord and Jesus even granted their prayer request. I hope this is not too much meat to share here.

As saved as a Baptist
Sharing from http://biblefolk.com/forum/topic/197

In this study/sermon I show how the average denominal trinitarian is just as saved as a devil.

Mark 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Notice that the devils confessed Jesus as Lord (and even PRAYED to Him, eh?). This is important because at that point the devils fulfilled the salvation requirements of many denominal trinitarian cults. They acknowledged Jesus as Lord and even prayed to Him.

8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

The devils prayed to Jesus after acknowledging Him as Lord God.

11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
More praying to Jesus by the devils!
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.
Jesus GRANTED their prayer request. He answered their prayer. The demons are just as saved as modern Baptists.
14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that
was done.
15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.
17 And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.
The townspeople asked Jesus to leave and He granted their request as well.
Are you a Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, catholic etc? Well, you are just as saved as the devils in Legion!

#christian #christianity #baptist #trinity #trinitarian #polytheism #apostolic #pentecostal #jesus

 

[DPMartin]

Hebrews is a letter to real Acts 2:38 Christians.

Bro. Winter

Abram is a Hebrew, and then called Abraham by the Lord God, and all his children thereof are also Hebrews. You have to read all of the bible not just the New Testament there bro.

Gen:14:13: And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eschol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

 

[Bro Steve Winter]

Bible salvation can only be found in the New Testament because in Acts 2:38 the plan of salvation for all that God will call is found. If a person does not obey Acts 2:38 to become a Christian it will not matter what they do with all of the other verses.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Acts 2:38 provides the method whereby one becomes born again of the Water and Spirit.

Bro. Winter

 

[DPMartin]

Bible salvation can only be found in the New Testament because in Acts 2:38 the plan of salvation for all that God will call is found. If a person does not obey Acts 2:38 to become a Christian it will not matter what they do with all of the other verses.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Acts 2:38 provides the method whereby one becomes born again of the Water and Spirit.

Bro. Winter

If you are going to be all that, then there is no such thing as "bible salvation" isn’t there? One can be saved via the revelation of the Word of God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to be born of the Holy Spirit, hence Christ, Messiah, and never have read the bible isn’t that true? Salvation is of God, not the bible therefore there is no such thing as "bible salvation". And as far as the knowledge and the faith of the coming salvation of men’s souls, the first promise of such is

Gen:3:14: And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

And since Jesus stated that Abraham would be amongst the living in Heaven, how is it that there is no Salvation of the soul available in the Old Testament? Considering that Abraham didn't have a bible. How can you be correct when Jesus Himself states that God is the God of the living and not the dead, when referring to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

ZZ Top .... your treatise on Mark 5 is a complete abortion.

That is the nicest way to say it .

 

[rockytopva]

How to get saved...

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. - Acts 16:31
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: - John 1:12
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. - 1 John 3:23

Lets keep salvation simple...

 

[Bro Steve Winter]

False-christian filth prey upon the ignorant. The devil will do or say just about anything to prevent people from obeying Acts 2:38 and becoming real Christians.
Romans is a letter to people who had already obeyed Acts 2:38. In the Bible believer means obeyer. The only standard the Apostles had for measuring was the fact that the people who believed obeyed.

The only way to accept Christ is to obey Acts 2:38 and really become a Christian. Don't be deceived!
Basic Bible Salvation
Sharing from http://biblefolk.com/forum/topic/114 Click link to read entire article.

Basic Bible salvation, what subject could be more important in this hour in which the last moments in the history of mankind fill the headlines with their fury.

What subject angers the sweet talking false preacher like the subject of basic Biblical salvation? There is a reason for that, you know.

Some would teach you that the Bible is not comprehendible so you might as well not try, but I believe that the Bible is there for us to understand.

Isaiah 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

God declares did not give his Word to confuse or alienate people. He gave it to show us the way and give us true light and understanding. Even a fool will stand before God without excuse.

Psalms 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

How many have ever walked in an unfamiliar area without any light, yet so many choose to exercise their God given free will to do just that with their spiritual path?

If we want true salvation then we need to reject the man made fables of the worldly man made religions, we must instead look at what was taught by Jesus Christ, then preached upon His authority by Peter, and then practiced by the Apostles faithfully. If we do that then we see two essential elements that make up the Christian new birth. Those elements are water and spirit. These truths do not contradict the scriptures regarding belief but provide the foundation upon which to exercise true Biblical belief, which is based upon obedience (another concept that
the false-christians really hate).
The false-christian needs to face reality. Was Noah saved by grace through faith by the mercy of God? Would not he have drowned if he had refused to obey and build the ark? Was Noah somehow waterproof? Don't let your false preacher take you down, friend.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

#christian #christianity #philosophy #apostolic #religion #pentecostal #jesus #christ #bible #biblestudy #catholic

 

[Secondhand Lion]

Mr. Steve Winter,

May I ask you a question? (I will assume for now that your answer will be yes) Why didn't Jesus ever baptize anyone with water? I know my answer to this question, but I think yours may be more interesting.

SL

 

[Bro Steve Winter]

John 3:22 ¶After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judæa; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

The important consideration for us is that when Jesus walked the Earth the commandment and opportunity to be water baptized in Jesus Name for the remission of sins had not yet been established.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

The New Testament Church was not born yet when Jesus walked the Earth in the flesh.

Bro. Winter

 

[Secondhand Lion]

John 3:22 ¶After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judæa; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

The important consideration for us is that when Jesus walked the Earth the commandment and opportunity to be water baptized in Jesus Name for the remission of sins had not yet been established.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

The New Testament Church was not born yet when Jesus walked the Earth in the flesh.

Bro. Winter

If this is true, don't you have a serious problem with Mark 1:4 and Luke 3:3 and Matthew 3:1-2? seems to me that water baptism was preached by John for the remission of sin from the word go. Why do you suppose God actually took the time to point out that Jesus didn't baptize anyone?

SL

 

[Bro Steve Winter]

After the Church started John the Baptist's disciples were re-baptized in Jesus Name to become Christians. It is certainly the business of the devil and his servants to try to undermine the importance of Jesus Namewater baptism since that is how sins are remitted.

Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

They knew that believing on Jesus included being water baptised in Jesus Name.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

One calls on the Name of the Lord by being water baptized in Jesus Name. The devil and his servants would prefer that you die in your sins.

Bro. Winter

 

[Secondhand Lion]

Does God contradict Himself? Does God make the very plain statement in Mark and Luke that it was for the remission of sins and was preached that way?

 

[Bro Steve Winter]

Does God contradict Himself? Does God make the very plain statement in Mark and Luke that it was for the remission of sins and was preached that way?

No, God didn't contradict Himself. You simply don't comprehend what you are reading and you twist the Word of God to try to defend your false-christianity.

The New Birth was not available until Jesus paid the price for it.

2Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Bro. Winter

 

[Secondhand Lion]

No, God didn't contradict Himself. You simply don't comprehend what you are reading and you twist the Word of God to try to defend your false-christianity.

The New Birth was not available until Jesus paid the price for it.

2Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Bro. Winter

I am a false christian? Oh no! Sorry, you aren't the first person to tell me this...not even today. (Actually it is the first response one gets from someone who disagrees with them as a Christian) I will show you how to have a conversation, disagree, and never call your salvation into question, don't worry, I will teach you, if you are willing.

Right, God does not contradict Himself. This is good that you recognize. We can then have a reasonable conversation if you are willing to drop the "Holier than thou" garbage. Will you be willing to do that or am I wasting my time?

 

[Bro Steve Winter]

If I am not holier than some deceiving false-christian filth I am in great spiritual danger.