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OK then, let's discuss ''I AM''I'll repeat:
NO ONE is going to hell because they didn't understand doctrine or a teaching of THE CHURCH...
the church that has been around from the beginning...not one that was invented about 200 years ago.
God IS the one true God.
There is ONLY ONE GOD.
No Christian disputes this.
Which is why I brought up the Trinity.
It's the TRINITY that you do not accept.
This thread is about the I AM, so I WILL address that.
Jesus said BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS....I AM. John 8:58
Lot's check out the context of WHY Jesus said this.
Before John 8:58 Jesus is speaking to the Jews.
He made important statements to them,,,including:
YOUR ARE FROM BELOW - I AM FROM ABOVE verse 23
YOU ARE OF THIS WORLD - I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD verse 23
YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS UNLESS YOU BELIEVE I AM HE. verse 24
Jesus said I AM HE...
Who would that be?
Jesus refers to Himself as THE SON OF MAN.....verse 28
This title is referncing
Daniel 7:13-14
13 "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
Many can be referred to as "son of God" Jesus Himsel is THE Son of God.
However, only to Jesus is attributed the title of SON OF MAN...
Jesus always does the things that are pleasing to God.
Because HE AND GOD FATHER have the same nature and will.
In the Garden Jesus prayed NOT MY WILL BUT YOURS BE DONE.
And did Jesus go to the cross or not?
Yes sir. Jesus went to the cross because His HUMAN nature did not want to....
but His DIVINE nature did exactly what the Father's nature was in agreement with.
Jesus was human here on earth.
But He was divine from eternity.
Jesus is NOT a created being and John makes the clear thoughout his gospel.
Verse 40
John 8:40
40 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.
WHAT did Abraham not seek to do?
Verse 42
Jesus states He PROCEEDED FORTH from the Father.
Proceeding forth means Jesus was ALWAYS PART OF THE FATHER.
John 1:1
THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
John 1:14
THE WORD BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US.
Verse 51
IF ANYONE KEEPS MY WORD HE WILL NOT SEE DEATH.
So if I keep the word of A MERE MAN,,,,I will not see death for one reason or another?
Or is it only GOD that can keep us from seeing death?
Verse 52
The Jews understood what Jesus was saying, even though some here might not.
They replied:
NOW WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A DEMON...
Again they were charging Him with blasphemy.
Verse 56
YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM REJOICED TO SEE MY DAY.
And HERE is where Jesus replies
BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS....I AM.
And what does this mean?
Let's let the Jews themselves reply...
They picked up stones to throw at Him.
Because THEY understood what Jesus was claiming.
He wasn't claiming to be 1,800 years old as was stated by another member on this thread....
Jesus was claiming to be BEFORE Abraham.
BEFORE everything because everything was created by Him and nothing exists that was not created by Him.
Colossians 1:15-17
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities -all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
I AM
Jesus always was and always will be.
Jesus is the ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.
I AM
I WAS
I WILL BE
Who actually uttered the words from the bush? The angel. (Acts7:35)So, God spoke through the angel who uttered the words I AM
God also spoke through Christ. So, if the fact Christ uttered the words ''I AM'' is proof he should be referred tro as God Himself, for consistency, you must also refer to God as an angel, as he also uttered the words ''I AM''
Even the JWs don't go that far!
And BTW, I do not accept an equal Trinity, and no one is going to be cast into hell for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth, even though some on the internet may reason that with their theological minds