Hey I'm curious at your believes in the bible codedo you believe it exstsdoes it exist for the sake of Godor is it a weapon for the evil one??------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Imformation if one does not know what I mean by bible codehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code
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voted no without really knowing exactly what is meant by the code. The Gnostics were probably the first Christians to claim there are secret/hidden mysteries of God known to only a few and that if we only "knew" these things then we can be saved or perhaps "saved better". It creates special classes of people, those with knowledge or more knowledge and those without it.If by code, one is talking about hidden knowledge, then I vote no.
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The Bible code is very interesting, but unlike gemetrias, the likelihood of a message in it rests in statistical chance. (Gemetrias are numerical values based on the text that relates to the passage in question and are easily demonstrated). And the statistical chance of the codes is what they (meaning mathematicians) are debating about.I tend to believe there are codes, only because mathematical heavyweights like Eliyahu Rips claims it is so by precisely defining rules and boundaries that the code can appear in (I forget what they are again, and the reasoning he used). So, for the critics that claim that "War and Peace" also have codes because it is statistically possible, Rips claims that they went out of the boundaries and map out the entire book, or a large section of it. The tightened boundaries, he claims, are statistically small to happen by chance. So, when someone claims the codes say that Jesus is the devil or something like that, they probably went outside the rules. That being said, statistics is very funny, and something this complex needs computers. For example, if you have a class of 24 people, the odds that two people have the same birthday is good. This defies commonsense when we all know there's 365 days to a year, and likewise the critics of the code claim there's more chance than meets the eyes.So, one has to decide if the chance is that great, even with Eliyahu Rips' tightened boundaries and rules.
am sure a decoder ring, like the ones we used to get in CrackerJacks would help in looking for hidden codes in text!:angel1:
I do know there are codes in the bible I have spent some time on this subject more recently they have found sentences even short paragraphs The mathematical odds of this are somewhere like DNA or impossible to be chance. I totally believe God wrote the bible and it has more than we will ever know includingwhat we do not see, I have know doubt that some day after Christ returns we will find our history was written in it but we just didnt know it.Now that being said I do not think we are even close to being able to translate itMy complaint is there are no exact rules to follow.Another words we pick up a book and we understand you read each word left to right In the bible code how do you read it? yes, you skip equal distance letters but you can just pick any number and start and stop where you want. Its like reading a verse in Genesis and then finishing with a verse in Luke how does one keep subject and object straight??? Just because it appears to be related isnt enough proof.And to predict the future is impossible because you do not know what the key words are to look forIt is pretty good at listing past events because we know what happenedSo conclusion in my opinion it is real but not anything we should be wasting time on and certainly never looking to for scripture
Funny this thread came up. My supervisor at work brought me a book to read called Bible Mathematics some pretty interesting stuff I will share my findings as I read through it...
the idea that God reveals His Word to man with imbedded secret codes that take us 5 or more millinium to solve just does not make sense to me. What would be the point and why is it not mentioned by His Apostles? Is the message only for those that finally "solve" it?
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Funny this thread came up. My supervisor at work brought me a book to read called Bible Mathematics some pretty interesting stuff I will share my findings as I read through it...
You must have a pretty cool supervisor..... I wish mine was that way (about bible stuff)! It would make for a better work environment.Actually, in all fairness, my supervisor is very good, and "one of the guys" and we get along well. He admittedly is not a Christian, but he heard me speak already and knows I am knowledgeable. I don't do that often and don't shove it in his face. I just do my job, and he knows it. We are close.
Funny this thread came up. My supervisor at work brought me a book to read called Bible Mathematics some pretty interesting stuff I will share my findings as I read through it...
You must have a pretty cool supervisor..... I wish mine was that way (about bible stuff)! It would make for a better work environment.Actually, in all fairness, my supervisor is very good, and "one of the guys" and we get along well. He admittedly is not a Christian, but he heard me speak already and knows I am knowledgeable. I don't do that often and don't shove it in his face. I just do my job, and he knows it. We are close.
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the idea that God reveals His Word to man with imbedded secret codes that take us 5 or more millinium to solve just does not make sense to me. What would be the point and why is it not mentioned by His Apostles? Is the message only for those that finally "solve" it?
Because he is God and its his book do you think he didnt include anything past his crusifiction?? The codes that show past events in our history can not be denied by math the old Moby Dick argument does not hold up any longer with the more complex codes most Bible scholars have always suspected there was a hidden code but it was impossable to figure out until computers (knowledge had to increase) however as I said our knowledge hasnt increased enough to use it as scripture or as a future predicter it merly can confirm what has alredy been said in normal scripture or show already past events.I think it shows us that the Word is truly the inspired Word of God and that is in fact the only thing we should see in the codes
the idea that God reveals His Word to man with imbedded secret codes that take us 5 or more millinium to solve just does not make sense to me. What would be the point and why is it not mentioned by His Apostles? Is the message only for those that finally "solve" it?
Because he is God and its his book do you think he didnt include anything past his crusifiction?? The codes that show past events in our history can not be denied by math the old Moby Dick argument does not hold up any longer with the more complex codes most Bible scholars have always suspected there was a hidden code but it was impossable to figure out until computers (knowledge had to increase) however as I said our knowledge hasnt increased enough to use it as scripture or as a future predicter it merly can confirm what has alredy been said in normal scripture or show already past events.I think it shows us that the Word is truly the inspired Word of God and that is in fact the only thing we should see in the codes
So you are saying if the code is there, it has a message that would not pertain to salvation (as the Apostles were given all the Word) but would be a secret message to possibly help us in the future. And you suggest that "help" is primarily in supporting that the Word is truly inspired. Is that correct?
Im saying it is there that is the factsIm saying it couldnt be there unless God put it there if he could create all a code in his words is not hard for him.Im saying we do not know enough information yet to entirly decode it without men guessing and making assumptionsIm saying that it is utterly amazing it is there and should futheratest to those who need it the fact the Bible is Gods inspired Word
]I m not trying to put God in a box. I mean He can do what ever he wants in the Bible, however 1corinthians14:33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. I dont think God would try to confuse us with The word that saves us.I think If we are ment for a deeper truth through seeking and freverent prayer God will reveal what we as individuals are ment to know.
I would agree haanne it is an amazing fact but God has told us all we need to know in his standard Words to us the fact there is a code is just another amazing fact we humans can not even agree on Normal scriptures without worrying about things we do not fully understand.
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]I m not trying to put God in a box. I mean He can do what ever he wants in the Bible, however 1corinthians14:33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. I dont think God would try to confuse us with The word that saves us.I think If we are ment for a deeper truth through seeking and freverent prayer God will reveal what we as individuals are ment to know.
Amen, was kind of what I was thinking.To me the idea is interesting, but the results at least so far suggest much confusion. And as someone already mentioned, it appears it is possible to take any text and with enough time and thought, develope a "number" code or any number of "number" codes with some meaning. And where two people have arrived at different codes, how do we know which is correct? And how do we know that the person developing the code did not, even unintentionally, "find" the message they wanted to find rather than revealing something from God to all of us?
]I m not trying to put God in a box. I mean He can do what ever he wants in the Bible, however 1corinthians14:33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. I dont think God would try to confuse us with The word that saves us.I think If we are ment for a deeper truth through seeking and freverent prayer God will reveal what we as individuals are ment to know.
Amen, was kind of what I was thinking.To me the idea is interesting, but the results at least so far suggest much confusion. And as someone already mentioned, it appears it is possible to take any text and with enough time and thought, develope a "number" code or any number of "number" codes with some meaning. And where two people have arrived at different codes, how do we know which is correct? And how do we know that the person developing the code did not, even unintentionally, "find" the message they wanted to find rather than revealing something from God to all of us?
I bought a DVD on the Bible Code at Dollaramma (a dollar store in Canada) I though it was kinda funny to find it there for $1. I watched it and I don't think finding numbers and stuff with words predicts things. I don't think God put stuff in the Bible about our current events like specific wars or president elections. He told us we would here of many wars, thats good enough. Does God even want us to be concerned with things like this? Isn't wondering about elections and wars a distraction from the Kingdom? I don't think "codes" is something specific to the Bible.
Matthew 24:43-44 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.of course if the bible code was from God that verse would say something to thsi effect" because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. unless of course you live in the year 2008 and have a computer which can do complicated math equations. The you would know exactly when I'm going to come. Wait I'll save you the trouble its 2012. thats right, its in the bible code. I repeat you will not know what day or hour I'm going to come, except through the bible code, that would be the exemption,"the bible code makes Jesus a liar, pure and simple.
Agreed Mickey,The idea of secret or hidden knowledge is central to Gnosticism and I think even if not intended, the potential is there when ever we talk of codes or hidden meanings for us to say "I know something God wants everyone to know and no one else has this information" and that it is necessary that everyone "know" this.Private revelation from God, no matter how it is obtained is certainly valid for the individual. But by definition the message there is for one person, not all of us.
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Hey I'm curious at your believes in the bible codedo you believe it exsts
The bible code is some crack pot conspiracy made up but nut jobs,just like the Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot JFK,Bush Orchestrated 9-11,planes didn't fly into buildings on 9-11,area 51 and other wacko conspiracies.
Hey I'm curious at your believes in the bible codedo you believe it exsts
The bible code is some crack pot conspiracy made up but nut jobs,just like the Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot JFK,Bush Orchestrated 9-11,planes didn't fly into buildings on 9-11,area 51 and other wacko conspiracies.
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