Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

[Grailhunter]

Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day.”

Can you find where this is written in the Old Testament?

 

[Grailhunter]

His intent was to confirm that He completed every demand that was made of Him from the ancient inspired pages. His life was the perfect realization of predicted Old Testament prophecy.

Can you find in the Old Testament that the Jews would be responsible for His death?
Can you find in the Old Testament that Yeshua would bring about the end of the Mosaic Law in the 1st century?

 

[WPM]

Can you find where this is written in the Old Testament?

Are you calling God a liar now? Wow! What next?

 

[WPM]

And in the end Christians do not follow the Mosaic Law.

What has that to do with anything? You are incapable of exegeting Scripture or addressing rebuttals. All you have is your opinions. You are clearly out of your depth here.

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you calling God a liar now? Wow! What next?

Just asking where it is written.

 

[WPM]

Can you find in the Old Testament that the Jews would be responsible for His death?
Can you find in the Old Testament that Yeshua would bring about the end of the Mosaic Law in the 1st century?

God explicitly states through the prophet Jeremiah that He will make a "new covenant" with the house of Israel and Judah, one that would not be like the covenant He made when He led them out of Egypt, because they broke it.

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you calling God a liar now? Wow! What next?

Just asking you to back up what you are saying.

 

[WPM]

Just asking you to back up what you are saying.

Search the Word.

 

[Grailhunter]

Search the Word.

It is not there.

 

[Grailhunter]

Search the Word.

Here is the thing......
Yeshua and the Apostles sometimes reference writings that are not in the Hebrew texts.
By Hebrew texts I mean the Septuagint because that is pretty much all they had.
If they are referencing some "Lost Books Of The Bible" they are not in the Canon.
If Yeshua is saying "it is written" this could be written in Heaven or one of these lost books.
So when Yeshua says is it written---> and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day, This would trump any other Old Testament prophecy.

A lot of so called prophecies that people quote are one liners taken out of context. For example, one the best known so called prophecies is Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. This was taken out of context from a sizable story about testing King Ahaz's faith who was having trouble defeating the Arameans.

Back then the word virgin could mean a woman that had not had a baby yet. The virgin referenced is Isaiah's wife. And the scripture say---->So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Isaiah 8:3 So this is Isaiah's son.

Which raises the question; Would an accurate Old Testament prophecy be beneficial? For example if it were written; And Yahweh will have a Son and He will be a God and the Savior of the world. But the Jews will deliver him up to the Romans and saying....Crucify Him!!! Crucify Him!!! Let His blood be on us and our children! And He will be buried, but 39 hours later He will rise from the tomb and will ascend to Yahweh and take a seat on a throne to the right of His Father.
Sound good but it is not in the Old Testament scriptures. And besides that, if the Israelites/Jews were told they would be responsible for death of Yahweh's Son....their Messiah.....And knowing the wrath of Yahweh.....they probably would have abandoned Judaism and run for the hills. I mean, what would they have to look forward to?

 

[WPM]

Here is the thing......
Yeshua and the Apostles sometimes reference writings that are not in the Hebrew texts.
By Hebrew texts I mean the Septuagint because that is pretty much all they had.
If they are referencing some "Lost Books Of The Bible" they are not in the Canon.
If Yeshua is saying "it is written" this could be written in Heaven or one of these lost books.
So when Yeshua says is it written---> and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day, This would trump any other Old Testament prophecy.

A lot of so called prophecies that people quote are one liners taken out of context. For example, one the best known so called prophecies is Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. This was taken out of context from a sizable story about testing King Ahaz's faith who was having trouble defeating the Arameans.

Back then the word virgin could mean a woman that had not had a baby yet. The virgin referenced is Isaiah's wife. And the scripture say---->So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Isaiah 8:3 So this is Isaiah's son.

Which raises the question; Would an accurate Old Testament prophecy be beneficial? For example if it were written; And Yahweh will have a Son and He will be a God and the Savior of the world. But the Jews will deliver him up to the Romans and saying....Crucify Him!!! Crucify Him!!! Let His blood be on us and our children! And He will be buried, but 39 hours later He will rise from the tomb and will ascend to Yahweh and take a seat on a throne to the right of His Father.
Sound good but it is not in the Old Testament scriptures. And besides that, if the Israelites/Jews were told they would be responsible for death of Yahweh's Son....their Messiah.....And knowing the wrath of Yahweh.....they probably would have abandoned Judaism and run for the hills. I mean, what would they have to look forward to?

Are you a "Jehovah" witness?

 

[WPM]

Here is the thing......
Yeshua and the Apostles sometimes reference writings that are not in the Hebrew texts.
By Hebrew texts I mean the Septuagint because that is pretty much all they had.
If they are referencing some "Lost Books Of The Bible" they are not in the Canon.
If Yeshua is saying "it is written" this could be written in Heaven or one of these lost books.
So when Yeshua says is it written---> and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day, This would trump any other Old Testament prophecy.

A lot of so called prophecies that people quote are one liners taken out of context. For example, one the best known so called prophecies is Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. This was taken out of context from a sizable story about testing King Ahaz's faith who was having trouble defeating the Arameans.

Back then the word virgin could mean a woman that had not had a baby yet. The virgin referenced is Isaiah's wife. And the scripture say---->So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Isaiah 8:3 So this is Isaiah's son.

Which raises the question; Would an accurate Old Testament prophecy be beneficial? For example if it were written; And Yahweh will have a Son and He will be a God and the Savior of the world. But the Jews will deliver him up to the Romans and saying....Crucify Him!!! Crucify Him!!! Let His blood be on us and our children! And He will be buried, but 39 hours later He will rise from the tomb and will ascend to Yahweh and take a seat on a throne to the right of His Father.
Sound good but it is not in the Old Testament scriptures. And besides that, if the Israelites/Jews were told they would be responsible for death of Yahweh's Son....their Messiah.....And knowing the wrath of Yahweh.....they probably would have abandoned Judaism and run for the hills. I mean, what would they have to look forward to?

Are you now questioning the Holy Spirit? Wow! What next?

Isaiah was looking toward the Messiah – one that would supernaturally be brought into this world. One that would be God manifested in flesh. Isaiah 7:14 says: “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

In Matthew chapter 1, verse 23, it says, “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

If we look at the Greek section in the Interlinear we see that the word Immanuel means, “With us the God.” Again, in Greek, “With us ho theos.”

 

[WPM]

Would an accurate Old Testament prophecy be beneficial? For example if it were written;

Exactly! Scripture forbids your error so you question its veracity!! Wow!

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you a "Jehovah" witness?

Not even a little bit. It is a false religion bound for Hell.

 

[WPM]

Not even a little bit. It is a false religion bound for Hell.

What is your church/beliefs?

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you now questioning the Holy Spirit? Wow! What next?

Isaiah was looking toward the Messiah – one that would supernaturally be brought into this world. One that would be God manifested in flesh. Isaiah 7:14 says: “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

In Matthew chapter 1, verse 23, it says, “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

If we look at the Greek section in the Interlinear we see that the word Immanuel means, “With us the God.” Again, in Greek, “With us ho theos.”

Well again virgin can mean a woman that has not had a child yet. And we can get into the debate on how Yahweh impregnated Miriam with Yeshua. Did she have a hymen after she conceived? The Catholics believe that she had a hymen after the birth of Yeshua....They call her the Virgin Mary even though this phrase does not appear in the scriptures.
The scriptures do not say anything about a miraculous manifestation of fetus attached to her body.
Nothing about Scotty beaming Him into her womb. Again somehow attaching to her body
The words used are normal words for the normal process. The Lord will over shadow you.....conception.....
Impregnated....begotten.....and she delivered a baby.
So did Yahweh have sex with Miriam? Certainly no scripture that says that He did not. Yeshua is the real begotten Son of Yahweh. Could He be the Son of God if He was created, if He was miraculously manifested, or if He was beamed in? The fact that Yeshua is the Son of Yahweh is a foundational belief and Christians are all about scripture only, until it comes to this.

 

[Grailhunter]

Exactly! Scripture forbids your error so you question its veracity!! Wow!

It does not hurt to as questions.

 

[Grailhunter]

What is your church/beliefs?

I am a college educated Theologian....colleges in 5 countries.
Generally, Theologians do not belong to any denomination because they all have errors. But I am big on going to church and question if you can be a Christian and not go to church. I worship with several different denominations. I love Christians and enjoy church worshipping and singing hymns to the Lord. I will say my favorite churches are the Holy Ghost churches. I have seen more miracles in them than any other type of church.

 

[WPM]

It does not hurt to as questions.

To question God and question His truth? I do not think so.

 

[Grailhunter]

To question God and question His truth? I do not think so.

I am not questioning God or truth. I am questioning what happened and what the scriptures mean.