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BOOK OF REVELATION

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    Greetings everybody. I pass the last four years exclusively working for trying to explained the Book of Revelation alone and I'm here for sharing the results of my work with anybody who could get interested. I exclusively dedicated my life to it, because in my consideration I have nothing better to do with my time. The work is trying to explained the Book of Revelation by linking it with mostly Plato's Republic. I encourage everybody to take a short look to it. For this purpose you will find a pair of book synopsis called letters at its beginning and you could also easily revised the titles and their order. Thereafter in case anyone finds it interesting, then I recommend to you to read it carefully by putting attention on the details and to take it easy. Do not accelerated and I think it will be wise to do not pronounce yourself until you have been reading all, otherwise may it will generate a bit of personal discomfort. Kind regards and I wish you all the best in the hard times to come. However one can consider, it never was easy. In my consideration we always were struggling during mileniums. I left for you the link bellow of that for free quite biblical apocalyptic text:

    5.91 MB file on MEGA
     
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    Please include some details of your findings in bullet form here to make it easier as your attachment is too big for some mobile phones to open and store.
     
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    Hi friend.

    I begg you pardon, but your request is quite challenging, due to the complexity of the subject. However I will try to briefly answer your demand. Besides I recommend to you to download it. Its size is a bit large due to a series of handmade folio on it. The text is 147 pages in total.
    So let's started with your answer: The text is explaining what is Johannes Babylon and why we are actually living on it. How it runs and why it is that. It's a dubulgation text esay to read and to follow, it doesn't contain scientific references, due to its nature. The text is initiated by explaining our actual situation as specie. Thereafter it continues by developing as many solutions to our global situation as possible. During this process is when it appears it's linkage with the Revelation as well as other prominent titles like the Prince, or The Republic. It goes progressively answering questions about the Revelation, like what are the "Beasts" why, so forth, the Whore, Babylon, the Merchants, the Seven Hils, so forth... The seven Churches also appear close to its end. However that fraction is answered at personal level. In my consideration for understanding such a cryptical text as the Revelation. Every single section has an interpretation at every level of the existence. In consequence its meaning should be addapted to its parametres, like for example: The solutions start with an interpretation of a section of the Revelation at Basic Systems level, or atomic level, however it requires our active participation as a whole, as humanity at world wide for its effective application. I don't know friend, I think the best is to try to download it and to readed it peacefully. It is not a complex text. I think everybody can follow it and to readed it quite easy, for thereafter to take their own conclusions by their own. At the beginning I went to philosopy forums, but the actual interpretation of philosopy is colliding totally with the original one. The philosophical practice is developed at The Symposium well. The point is to choose a subject. Then everybody make its own exposition about it, once and in case it considers opportune to do so. Without presures, nobody comments its exposition or interfere. The people goes one by one making their own until nobody find anything to added. In the end we can observe what we think about the subject as society. All points of view are there and everybody analyses by its own every exposition, without pressures and inquires. Now philosophy is being handled like a political debate. Where everybody is trying to imposed its point of view and to screw the others for forcing them to don't think by their own. A pitty. Well, besides that end is a bit but not totally outline of the subject in question. I recommend to everybody to readed my work peacefully, because I think, on it one can find some answers and some basic keystons or foundations where to support ourselves. Well friend, kind regards. I'm writing this with my mobilephone so apologies about any mistakes.
     
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    a great study imo
     
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    Thank you friend. I did my best on it. Kind regards.
     
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    Why would one go to someone other than the author for an alternative explanation of a book that gives its own explanation by the author? (rhetorical)
     
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    Hello friend.

    If you already read the Revelation and you don't have any questions about the meaning of any thing redacted on it, then you don't have any need to search for any answers about them in any other texts. However if this is not you case, then I humbly recommend to you to take a look to my work on the subject, because it's maybe possible, than I found some answers or some explanations about some parts of it and perhaps those may get useful, for clarifying some doubts about their meanings. Kind regards and have a nice day.
     
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    My point is rather that there is no need to labor over a book that defines itself as "the revelation of Jesus Christ, the beginning and the end." And anyone who has learned this from the book by the spirit of God, has no need of another teacher. I would not even comment, except what you have written here does not simply state it as such. Why does your explanation not begin with the same words of truth? Why indeed?
     
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    I'm glad you enjoy the opportunity to exposed your point and as far as I can understand from what you are expressing, is because you read my work. Then you mostly welcome to express yourself. Now I think, the best we can do is let the others to take their own conclusions about, have a nice day.
     
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    And this they (others) should do knowing that you have not answered a very simple question, and have not stated the very simple truth that the book of Revelation is "the revelation of Jesus Christ."

    It is also obvious that you are of an "Other Faith" and do not profess Jesus as Lord...yet you want people to read your commentary about what you are not qualified to speak. Your answers are without authority.
     
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    Alright man. Easy with it, easy...

    First. I found incredible to find myself with the need to explain that one is an inter Faith section. That isn't (Christians only.) Second for me there is not such a question, because in my consideration the Revelation is done between them and we are having a quite cryptical text as a reasult, that is precisely called The Revelation.
    Third, my vision of religion is for my as well as my beliefs. I respect yours as much as the beliefs of anyone else. In case you want to share here your vision about the subject, then is fine. You already done it. Now is time to let it go, fotmr letting the other people to do their own process, without pressures or inquires. About that think of "authority." I don't understand. There is freedom of religion and thinking. I find it incredible. I don't need as the person as I'm, to go an ask for authority somewhere just for reading and for thinking about a religious text and thereafter to share with anyone interested the results of my own personal process, at the adequate inter Faith section, of a religious forum. Have a nice day.
     
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    I want to thank you all, by starting with the staff, to give to me the opportunity to exposed my work here. Furthermore I really want to thank Mr. Scott participation, because thank's to you now I'm unable to correct my work for a religious misunderstanding with any congregation, from any religion do never happen. I'm really sorry about that, but until now I was doing my work alone, in consequence I was observing it only under my eyes, but now thank's to you collaboration I'm unable to put it well. Furthermore I want to advise to all customer, my work don't will be available any more, for freely download it, because by using private mail external to that platform, I found a group of professionals, for working with them as team further one. So my work besides it will still being signed by myself, it don't will be handed anymore by a single person. That as we could understand, beyond the necessary corrections appearing here thank's to your collaboration, it will help us as a team to polish many things for avoiding any further misunderstandings and misconceptions as far as we can. Thank you very much and for my part I prefer to let that post open as a register of your inestimable help, because without it that misunderstanding will never get solved. Thank you.
     
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    There is a link of the beast in Daniel and in Revelation with Plato's Atlantis Account in Critias & Timaeus.

    Beast has 10 horns/kings: Atlantis had 10 kings.
    8th head of Beast: Atlantis is the "8th continent".
    "Was, is not, is coming" (Revelation) : Atlantis was, sank, is "rising" ("Atlantis Rising").
    Beast comes out of Great Sea / Mediterranean: Atlanteans came out of Atlantic, and invaded upto Italy and Libya/Egypt (in Mediterranean).
    Daniel was a contemporary of Solon, and John was a contemporary of Philo the Jew (who mentions Atlantis).
    The harlot Babylon is "in the midst of the waters/seas", like Tarshish & Atlantis.
    Beast/Babylon is a water power, and Babylon overseas global trade (Revelation) and has slaves; Atlantis was water power and trading power and enslaved the Mediterranean.
    Possible connections of 666/616/TRS with Atlantis.
    Abaddon/Apollyon may link with Atlantis via Posei-don or Apollo (Hyperborean, Apollonian).
    Beast in Daniel associated with iron age Roman empire; Atlanteans invaded upto Italy (Tyrrhenia), and Atlanteans associated with start of iron age according to some sources.
    Everyone will wonder after the Beast. One could well imagine people wondering after a resurrected copy of Atlantis.
    The head wounded and healed could be Atlantis? (Though it might rather be Europe wrecked by the two world wars.)

    Though I am not overly sure it is all right.
     
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    Hello friend, It's really long and complex your exposition, due to the need to say alot in few lines. So It maybe it take me more than one answer. First of all, you are timeing the Atlantis after the last Ice Age. My approach to its possible existence is previous to that, perhaps its beguinings are even before the Ice Age. Second, I'm understanding it as a global civilization. It's members can be called Titans or like Enoch Gigants. In case it was having a metropoly that was at the ocean beyond the columns. It was a global ocean. There wasn't divisions. So maybe was at queen Maud territory, because Antartica is at the middle of the global Ocean, but I honestly don't know anything about this things. All I can do are conjectures. I'm only using the books of the bibliography, nothing else. As far as I understand the beasts are the two explained in my text. The crowns at the heads, I think this stuff can be people or position and capacity to order to people. I think, the use of a title is related to authority, capacity of rule, nothing else. To ubicate the beast in a single terrestrial fraction for me it not runs. For me the beasts are as I said those in my text and the antagonistic with the life system is Babylon as well, because is totally unnamed, it is global and it is killing all. I think, is fair enough clear my point of view in the text. In my consideration to related it to some historical civilization, nation, etc... It not runs, like the tale of Atlantis. It is done by Egiptians, but it is explained by Greek, so it is normal its adaptation to their culture, for it gets socially accepted and to endurance upon time. Like Athens figthing Atlantis, so forth... I barely read any text. Those at the bibliography I use to listen them, instead of reading them. I really don't like to read and I just did the effort I did for desperation. If desperation in front a grim situation doesn't impulse me, then I will dedicated my life to other things. Now I'm making the changes Mr. Scott make me take consience about, by my own. Thereafter we will work on the rest, but the text and the points developed on it more or less are and will be as those are. For finishing the injure you talk about, may it be a global war like you said, but also can be the economic runaway that finally promotes to burn the planet in few decades. All right both things at the end are linked, but the persons in charge had other directions as well and finally chose to runaway until all gets screw. One can take a look to the last forty years... There is nothing left. Ok friend, I will be thinking in you appreciations from time to time. Thank you very much.
     
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    I don't know whether Atlantis is after Ice ages or during or before.
    But the Pleistocene/Palaeolithic Ice Age(s) are post-Great Flood. (There are other ice ages before that one like the Permian one.) And the conventional dating methods are wrong and the date of the Ice Age(s) is too old, and the "9000" years date of Atlantis is too old, while the Flood was only about 2300-2500 years BC.
    Atlantis is post-Flood not pre-flood: only Atlantis sank not the whole world (and the Flood was worldwide not local); the Atlantis Account implies Atlantis was a spearate land mass from the Old World (while there was only one landmass in Genesis 1, and the continents didn't split until during or after the flood in the bible).
    Atlantis is not Antarctica, nor global. Atlantis capital city matches Tiahuanaco/Tiwanaku in South America. Though Atlantis did have worldwide contacts and colonies. Though the beast and Babylon do seem to be global.
     
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    Hello friend, I think, we not gonna find a common point on this. To have a metropolis doesn't deny globality. Pangaea or single land is milios of years ago. To have it in a text is in my consideration a bit sandbox of unsewable for them factors. In my text there are proposed several scientific datelines. With them it can be known when a previous global civilization existed. The Spynx at Gize and its surrounding quarry is with just a short look far older, like the basis where are erected the classic temples of Tiro and Sidon. Thereafter America in general is also looking like a sandbox of several civilizations build one over the other. In my consideration is always the same. One can take a look to any European church. First there was a stone age temple or monument, then the classics, then early Christians, then a cathedral, one over the other. In case one take a look to the tecnics used and by dating the quarries, then perhaps we can start to know a bit of how and when.

    Furthermore the information you provide at the first message it make me think about the codes one the text. If this is the case, then I just can said, I know nothing about them. I just saw on TV, than there are many people working on them. So I assumed, they already discovered many things, but maybe they aren't and those are pumping more people one their desperation for finding something useful. However a friend explained to me once: There are some of them by using songs in private. So I deduced they found those songs within the texts, by using codes and perhaps those can find more songs. Kind regards I let it there, because I'm really busy. Have a nice day.
     
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