BUSTED - 12 false theories refuted:

[Keraz]

Many wrong beliefs have been accepted by Christians. Ideas and theories which have no proper Biblical support and in most cases are directly Spoken against.

1/ The Church is raptured to heaven:
Jesus said 3 times, that we must endure until the end. Matthew 24:13, +

The holy peoples of God are present in the Holy Land in the end times. Rev 13:7

The righteous will possess the Land and live there forever. Psalms 37:29

2/ Preterism -the belief that most Prophesies have happened in the past:
Disproved by the historical facts. What is Prophesied does not match past events.

Psalms 83 actually refers to past battles, as examples of future ones.

2 Peter 1:19 tells everyone to study the Prophesies for our enlightenment.

3/ An ethnic Jewish redemption:
Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jews who are mostly those who wrongly call themselves Jews; Revelation 2:9b, Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7

This false idea was made up to support the rapture;- Jewish Israel on earth and the Church in heaven. Neither is Biblical and neither will happen.

4/ AMillenniumism, - we are in the Millennium now:
This idea, is patently wrong as Jesus is not now ruling the world. Matthew 4:8-9

Revelation 20 mentions a thousand year period after Jesus Returns; 6 times.

The thousand years will be the Sabbath period, the last tranche of the 7000 year time for God’s Plan for mankind to be completed.

5/ We are in the new Covenant with God now:
Jesus fulfilled His part of the new Covenant at the Last Supper.

But it will not be until all the Christian peoples are gathered into all of the holy Land, that the holy people of God, will make the New Covenant with Him. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12, - all remain unfulfilled.

6/ A new Temple:
Those who say: We Christians are the Temple of God, - are correct for this 2000 year Church age. That truth does not preclude a new Temple being built in Jerusalem.

Men will come from far away to build it, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9. Ezekiel 40 to 43:17, specifies the construction of it.

7/ Jesus is the one and only Sacrifice for our sins:
True, but God does not change, Malachi 3:6, and He will require thank offerings and sacrifices for inadvertent sins, in the Temple. Ezekiel 43:18 to 46:24, Zechariah 14:16-21, and Daniel 9:27 proves that Temple sacrifices will be made again.

Isaiah 56:1-8….Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My Altar….

8/ Jewish Israelis own the holy Land:
They now have control of a small part of the holy Land, but they are in apostasy and punishment is Prophesied – with only a Christian remnant surviving. Romans 9:27

Jesus said: the Kingdom is taken from you and given to the peoples who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43 I will uproot the evil neighbours and Judah too; I will uproot. Only those who follow the Way of Life, can live there. Jeremiah 12:14

I will give the Land to new owners…..Jeremiah 8:1-13 My chosen ones will live there Isaiah 65:9

9/ We Christians are conscious after death:
The dead know nothing; Eccl 9;5-6, and cannot praise God. Psalms 115:17

David sleeps in his grave ….. Acts 13:36

Only after the Millennium, at the Great White Throne Judgment, everyone who has ever lived will stand before God. Revelation 20:11-15 In a Spiritually aware state.

10/ The Anti-Christ [beast] will be a Jew, he will purport to be the Messiah;
Nahum 1:11 From you Assyria, comes a wicked councillor, one who plots evil against the Lord. 2 Thess 2:4 He will sit in the Temple, demanding worship of himself; or the penalty of death. Revelation 13:8

11/ The Return of Jesus will be like a thief;- unexpected:
This belief is extremely presumptuous and is downright disgusting.

Jesus will Return in glory; with the trumpet blast of God, 1 Thess 4:16 and be seen by all. Revelation 1:7, Rev 19:11-21

The unexpected Day, will be the terrible Day the Lord sends Hs fiery wrath, which will come without warning, shocking everyone and changing the world. Rev 6:11-17

12/ The Sixth Seal is a localized event and is part of the Great Tribulation:
The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, will commence all of the end time Prophesies.

Terrible signs in the sky with the seas roaring and surging, people will be terrified and not know which way to turn. Luke 21:25-26 & 35, it will come upon everyone the whole world over.

Isaiah 34:1-8 Listen; you peoples …the Lord ‘s anger is against all the nations. He gives them over to slaughter and destruction. The heavens will be rolled up, Revelation 6:14, and the mountains moved. For the Lord has a Day of vengeance with His Sword of retribution. Hebrews 10:27 & 30

In order for us to be prepared for the dramatic and testing times ahead we should be sure of what the Lord has told us, thru His Prophets. For the faithful and ready people, who know what to expect, it will be bearable. But to many the shock and terror may be unbearable.

 

[Jay Ross]

^^^^^ Well, some parts may be true, but Until the Final Judgement, the saints will not receive the whole earth as their inheritance.

 

[Angelina]

5/ We are in the new Covenant with God now:
Jesus fulfilled His part of the new Covenant at the Last Supper.

But it will not be until all the Christian peoples are gathered into all of the holy Land, that the holy people of God, will make the New Covenant with Him. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12, - all remain unfulfilled.

I completely disagree with your premise about the new covenant. Believers in Jesus (Gentile and Jewish alike) are under the new covenant now, not sometime down the road in the Holy Land.

 

[Keraz]

^^^^^ Well, some parts may be true, but Until the Final Judgement, the saints will not receive the whole earth as their inheritance.

Right, but we Christians will occupy all of the Holy Land, before and after Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 34:11-16, is quite clear.

I completely disagree with your premise about the new covenant. Believers in Jesus (Gentile and Jewish alike) are under the new covenant now, not sometime down the road in the Holy Land.

Keraz said: Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12, - all remain unfulfilled.

We now have the Promise of the new Covenant, but until we are in the Holy Land, all the Prophesied benefits are yet to happen.

 

[lforrest]

Right, but we Christians will occupy all of the Holy Land, before and after Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 34:11-16, is quite clear.

Keraz said: Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12, - all remain unfulfilled.

We now have the Promise of the new Covenant, but until we are in the Holy Land, all the Prophesied benefits are yet to happen.

What of the covenant in Jesus' blood per Matthew 26:28? Isn't that in affect now so that we can be forgiven of our sins?

 

[quietthinker]

Many wrong beliefs have been accepted by Christians. Ideas and theories which have no proper Biblical support and in most cases are directly Spoken against.

1/ The Church is raptured to heaven:
Jesus said 3 times, that we must endure until the end. Matthew 24:13, +

The holy peoples of God are present in the Holy Land in the end times. Rev 13:7

The righteous will possess the Land and live there forever. Psalms 37:29

2/ Preterism -the belief that most Prophesies have happened in the past:
Disproved by the historical facts. What is Prophesied does not match past events.

Psalms 83 actually refers to past battles, as examples of future ones.

2 Peter 1:19 tells everyone to study the Prophesies for our enlightenment.

3/ An ethnic Jewish redemption:
Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jews who are mostly those who wrongly call themselves Jews; Revelation 2:9b, Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7

This false idea was made up to support the rapture;- Jewish Israel on earth and the Church in heaven. Neither is Biblical and neither will happen.

4/ AMillenniumism, - we are in the Millennium now:
This idea, is patently wrong as Jesus is not now ruling the world. Matthew 4:8-9

Revelation 20 mentions a thousand year period after Jesus Returns; 6 times.

The thousand years will be the Sabbath period, the last tranche of the 7000 year time for God’s Plan for mankind to be completed.

5/ We are in the new Covenant with God now:
Jesus fulfilled His part of the new Covenant at the Last Supper.

But it will not be until all the Christian peoples are gathered into all of the holy Land, that the holy people of God, will make the New Covenant with Him. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12, - all remain unfulfilled.

6/ A new Temple:
Those who say: We Christians are the Temple of God, - are correct for this 2000 year Church age. That truth does not preclude a new Temple being built in Jerusalem.

Men will come from far away to build it, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9. Ezekiel 40 to 43:17, specifies the construction of it.

7/ Jesus is the one and only Sacrifice for our sins:
True, but God does not change, Malachi 3:6, and He will require thank offerings and sacrifices for inadvertent sins, in the Temple. Ezekiel 43:18 to 46:24, Zechariah 14:16-21, and Daniel 9:27 proves that Temple sacrifices will be made again.

Isaiah 56:1-8….Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My Altar….

8/ Jewish Israelis own the holy Land:
They now have control of a small part of the holy Land, but they are in apostasy and punishment is Prophesied – with only a Christian remnant surviving. Romans 9:27

Jesus said: the Kingdom is taken from you and given to the peoples who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43 I will uproot the evil neighbours and Judah too; I will uproot. Only those who follow the Way of Life, can live there. Jeremiah 12:14

I will give the Land to new owners…..Jeremiah 8:1-13 My chosen ones will live there Isaiah 65:9

9/ We Christians are conscious after death:
The dead know nothing; Eccl 9;5-6, and cannot praise God. Psalms 115:17

David sleeps in his grave ….. Acts 13:36

Only after the Millennium, at the Great White Throne Judgment, everyone who has ever lived will stand before God. Revelation 20:11-15 In a Spiritually aware state.

10/ The Anti-Christ [beast] will be a Jew, he will purport to be the Messiah;
Nahum 1:11 From you Assyria, comes a wicked councillor, one who plots evil against the Lord. 2 Thess 2:4 He will sit in the Temple, demanding worship of himself; or the penalty of death. Revelation 13:8

11/ The Return of Jesus will be like a thief;- unexpected:
This belief is extremely presumptuous and is downright disgusting.

Jesus will Return in glory; with the trumpet blast of God, 1 Thess 4:16 and be seen by all. Revelation 1:7, Rev 19:11-21

The unexpected Day, will be the terrible Day the Lord sends Hs fiery wrath, which will come without warning, shocking everyone and changing the world. Rev 6:11-17

12/ The Sixth Seal is a localized event and is part of the Great Tribulation:
The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, will commence all of the end time Prophesies.

Terrible signs in the sky with the seas roaring and surging, people will be terrified and not know which way to turn. Luke 21:25-26 & 35, it will come upon everyone the whole world over.

Isaiah 34:1-8 Listen; you peoples …the Lord ‘s anger is against all the nations. He gives them over to slaughter and destruction. The heavens will be rolled up, Revelation 6:14, and the mountains moved. For the Lord has a Day of vengeance with His Sword of retribution. Hebrews 10:27 & 30

In order for us to be prepared for the dramatic and testing times ahead we should be sure of what the Lord has told us, thru His Prophets. For the faithful and ready people, who know what to expect, it will be bearable. But to many the shock and terror may be unbearable.

What! only twelve? I thought you could do better than that Keraz, seeing your vast knowledge of the scriptures.
You could add to your 12 false theories refuted the idea that the Sun revolves around the Earth and that the Earth is flat. You could fill several suitcases with refutations all the while missing the key factor.

It is just as Jesus says, 'You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39-40

You have made the scriptures a bulwark against its key ingredient. If you had not you would testify to it yet you choose to use the scriptures as a crystal ball and glorify you own perceived rightness.

Jesus continues in verses 41-46...
“I do not accept glory from human beings, but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God ?

“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”

 

[JohnDB]

https://x.com/LASHYBILLS/status/1917219195638386869

I believe this guy made a mistake somewhere along the way...

 

[Jay Ross]

For the benefit of the other readers: -

Right, but we Christians will occupy all of the Holy Land, before and after Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 34:11-16, is quite clear.

This is my understanding of Ezkiel 34:11-16 which is part of a broader prophecy concerning the nation of Israel and not the "Christian Saints"

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Ezekiel 34:11-16: - God, the True Shepherd​

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11 'For thus says the Lord God: "Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver/rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day. 13 And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries and will bring them into their own fertile field/soil; I will feed them on the mountain(s) of Israel, {a metaphor for Israel’s religious basis}, {where they are living} in the {river} valleys and in all the inhabited places of the earth. 14 I will feed them in good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountain(s) of Israel, {i.e. the religious basis of Israel}. There they shall lie down in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountain(s) of Israel {i.e. the religious basis of Israel}. 15 I will feed My flock, and I will make them lie down," says the Lord God. 16 "I will seek what was lost and bring back what was driven away, bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong, and feed them in judgment."​

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Continued below​

 

[Jay Ross]

Keraz said: Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12, - all remain unfulfilled.

Jeremiah 31:31-34: -- A Renewed Covenant​

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31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make like new again the covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah — 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the country of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."​

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Ezekiel 34:24-31: - 24 “And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.​

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25 "I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause evil beasts [1] to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe within my fertile field; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger on the earth, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the Lord their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people," says the Lord God.'"​

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31 "You are My flock, the flock of My pasture; you are men, and I am your God," says the Lord God.​

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Isaiah 61:5-11: -​

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5 Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,​

And the sons of the foreigner​

Shall be your ploughmen and your vinedressers.​

6 But you shall be named the priests of the Lord,​

They shall call you the servants of our God.​

You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles,​

And in their glory, you shall boast.​

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7 Instead of your shame you shall have double honour,​

And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion.​

Therefore, in their countryside they shall possess double;​

Everlasting joy shall be theirs.​

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8 "For I, the Lord, love justice;​

I hate robbery for burnt offering;​

I will direct their work in truth,​

And will make with them an everlasting covenant. ​

9 Their descendants shall be known among the Gentiles,​

And their offspring among the people.​

All who see them shall acknowledge them,​

That they are the posterity whom the Lord has blessed."​

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10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord,​

My soul shall be joyful in my God;​

For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation,​

He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,​

As a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments,​

And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.​

11 For as the earth brings forth its bud,​

As the garden causes the things that are sown in it to spring forth,​

So, the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.​

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Hebrews 8:8-12: - A New Covenant​

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8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a renewed covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah — 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbour, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”​

 

[Jay Ross]

We now have the Promise of the new Covenant, but until we are in the Holy Land, all the Prophesied benefits are yet to happen.

The Christian Saints are able to benefit from all of the Prophesied benefits but your requirement of the Saints needing to enter the Holy Land does not come to mind, nor have I read it in the scriptures.

 

[Keraz]

The Christian Saints are able to benefit from all of the Prophesied benefits but your requirement of the Saints needing to enter the Holy Land does not come to mind, nor have I read it is the scriptures.

Like most people, you have just assigned all the amazing Prophesies about the great second Exodus, to the Jews.
Just read Ezekiel 34:11-16 and think carefully about who that Prophecy applies to. John 10:1-15

 

[Jay Ross]

Like most people, you have just assigned all the amazing Prophesies about the great second Exodus, to the Jews.
Just read Ezekiel 34:11-16 and think carefully about who that Prophecy applies to. John 10:1-15

Tell me Keraz, what is the context of Ezekiel 34:11-16, and when it will begin to unfold?

So far in this thread you have not convinced me that you even know what you claim as your truth.

 

[Keraz]

Tell me Keraz, what is the context of Ezekiel 34:11-16, and when it will begin to unfold?

So far in this thread you have not convinced me that you even know what you claim as your truth.

Like all who have fixed beliefs about the Prophetic Word, there is nothing I can say that will change your mind.
Only as events take place, will most people finally understand Gods plans.
At lease you will have read the truths of it and may now have some idea of what will happen.

 

[Jay Ross]

Like all who have fixed beliefs about the Prophetic Word, there is nothing I can say that will change your mind.
Only as events take place, will most people finally understand Gods plans.
At lease you will have read the truths of it and may now have some idea of what will happen.

Not if I rely upon what you are peddling as Biblical prophecy truth.

 

[Keraz]

Not if I rely upon what you are peddling as Biblical prophecy truth.

So; neither you, or anyone else can show me wrong.

Whining and moaning because precious beliefs are challenged, just doesn't cut it. Here's a thought; Reconsider your beliefs.

 

[Jay Ross]

So; neither you, or anyone else can show me wrong.

Whining and moaning because precious beliefs are challenged, just doesn't cut it. Here's a thought; Reconsider your beliefs.

Now your statement here is so wrong. It is not that we cannot prove you are wrong, it is because you will not accept that you are wrong in your understanding of the end times when shown the errors in your private interpretations that you claim are true.

 

[Angelina]

I can prove that this member is wrong. It removes salvation and eternal life for all believers and ensures that no one else is saved or is able to enter into the kingdom of heaven until a physical temple is built in Jerusalem. This belief takes away what Jesus did for believers on the cross and is in error.