It seems you are not understanding what I said. I will repeat. I did not say we need teachers to show us the Bible. We need teachers to help us understand the nonsense the church ministers teach that's in our culture and believed by many. Here's a few examples... Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.
Yeah - that sounds like all else I read from you - and it doesn't seem you understand what I am saying.
I am saying we need to listen to the Teacher, who is Jesus Christ, or we are not even qualified to teach!!!
That is because you don't have the message, the understanding, and the knowledge you need to have, because all that is in and from Jesus Christ!!
Heb 5:4 And no one takes the honor to himself, but receives it when he is called by God, even as Aaron was.
Heb 5:5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him,
“YOU ARE MY SON,
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”;
It is not ours to call out this church or denomination, but we are all subject to the KIng, who is Jesus Christ, and how do you not know this? Is it because you don't listen to Him?
Heb 5:11,12 Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
Did you not even notice in Revelation, where John was told what to write to the churches? And that to every angel at each church it was written:
‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’ (Rev 2:7, 2:11, 2:17, 2:29, 3:6, Rev 3:13, 3:22,
Therefore all His churches have issues, but the issue all of them have is not hearing what He has to say via His Holy Spirit!
Yet you take it on yourself, without hearing from the Lord yourself, and judge His churches/ denominations.
Ok - so you feel you have seen an issue with the Roman Catholic church, and even the Protestant and independent churches,, but that is not only judging them but also judging Him who made them. That is not yours to do so, but because you don't listen to Him but lean on you own understanding, you even wrote: "everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them."
And amusingly after I have specifically given you examples of what I have heard from Him!!???
That only can happen because you yourself don't hear from Him, otherwise you would have sought Him yourself, gotten understanding and belief, because faith comes from hearing a word spoken to you by Him, and understanding comes from His mouth, not your thinking!
Therefore 'though by this time you ought to be a teacher, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.' [again see Heb 5:12]
The oracles of God are what He speaks to you, and so the basic and elementary principles of them means you need to listen to Him. That is the foremost commandment which is, "Hear, O Israel" - or as the Father put it on the mountain, " “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” (Mat 17:5)
I have to write a lot and over and over just to explain that you need to "listen to Him"! Which shows how stubborn and against listening you have become.
Deaut 9:13 “The LORD spoke further to me, saying, ‘I have seen this people, and indeed, it is a stubborn people.
Do you not understand that when He speaks He speaks the truth. Yet that is not for me to judge but to listen to Him and do what He asks me. His people are indeed stubborn people, and I know that because I too get stubborn with Him and don't listen to Him as much as I should. I usually only hear from Him a dozen different times a day - sometime more and sometimes less, but never as much as should considering He is God and King and He is always with me.
Still I have heard enough, by listening to Him a dozen different times a day for 20 plus years, to know that His churches are His churches, not yours!! So who are you to judge them, sir??? You are sitting yourself up for eternal fire, so start seeking Him and listening to Him, but that means humbling yourself so that you stop thinking you are smarter than Him!! Indeed, nobody comes to Him to listen to Him until they repent of their ways, their thinking, and their reasoning!!
Rev 3:19 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
That comes before:
Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
Let me give you another example/testimony:
The Lord has me mostly attending Independent Charismatic churches during my 20 years with Him. Yet He had me open and run a Christian bookstore for Him. In doing so He told me that He was giving me that city, to minister to. And so He had me go around the city and tell the Christian churches about the store, and that included the Catholic churches. He even had me pay a small advertising fee that one Catholic church had to be in there bulletin or something like that. I am not sure because I have never actually been to a Catholic mass. Yet they are one of His churches, and He made it clear to me, the man that He had attending charismatic churches.
Indeed, He specifically asked me to get some Catholic books, both used and new, and He had me put the new Catholic books in one corner of the front window so all could see. Fortunately for me, those were Charismatic Catholic books (there are many Catholics who speak in tongues and such), so I actually sold some of those to independent thinking charismatics christians. Yet I only ever move one used Catholic book, and I wound up giving that away.
A man walked into my store one day and was looking at books, when the Lord spoke to me and told me, "Karl, that man is kind of like a pastor." Ok I thought, but continued with the accounting I was working on. Then again the Lord spoke to me and told me, "Karl, that man is kind of like a pastor."
"I hear you, I told the Lord." But I didn't know what He wanted. And again the Lord spoke to me and said, "Karl, that man is kind of like a pastor."
So finally I just blurted out to the man, and rather loudly, "Sir, you are kind of like a pastor!"
That broke the silence in the store and the man look up and at me, holding a little and old book. It was one of those old used catholic books the Lord had me get. And the man said, "I am a catholic priest," To which I responded, "Well, that is kind of like a pastor."
At this point this catholic priest, who was dressed in nice but normal clothes, started looking very confused and rather dumbfounded. And He started to explain to me that he had just come out of the dentist office down the walkway and something drew him to my store. And the little book he had was a he had always hoped to find but was never able to. It was written by a friend of his who had gone to school with him.
About that time the Lord spoke to me, telling me how much He loved that man. You should know that the Holy Spirit testifies about people!
That catholic priest went to pay me for that book, but there was no way I was going to take money from him for the book. He was a man with a strong testimony from God Himself. So you are you to know God's judgement if you don't actually hear from Him???
