CALVIN was Correct on Acts 13:48 and 2 Pet. 3:9

[Eternally Grateful]

Most who you will find here are deeply in hate of Calvin fail to realize God preceded all of those before and after John with the teachings of Predestination and Election.

Calvin and those before him , didn't put words in God's mouth. God put his words in theirs.

But God did not believe as they did.

They may repeat Gods words. But the jew could quote the OT word for word.

Repeating the words, and actually knowing the words and understanding them are two different things

I can quote anything, it does not mean I know what the words I am repeating mean

 

[BlessedPeace]

John 10
And...
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.
Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

 

[Rockerduck]

John 10
And...
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.

That's not John 10

Ephesians 1:4 - according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 10
And...
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.
Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

this does not prove your point,

I agree, No one can come unless the father draws him. (many are called but few are chosen)

But that does not mean it will prevent God from doing his will.

what is the will of God?

That everyone who sees and believes will be saved. pass from death to Life (new birth)

But hey, You want to deny God has the power to draw dead people to himself. thats on you.. He rose Lazarus from the dead.. If he can do that, He can draw the dead to himself so they can see, and make a decision..

because you see, Gods reputation is at stake for all eternity. Not yours or mine. God will not bow to you or me..

But he will not force you to recieve his gift, or keep you from having the ability to recieve it. Thats why he is God and we are not..

 

[BlessedPeace]

this does not prove your point,

It isn't my point. It is God's words that harmonize with the Gospel in total.

I agree, No one can come unless the father draws him. (many are called but few are chosen)

But that does not mean it will prevent God from doing his will.

what is the will of God?

That everyone who sees and believes will be saved. pass from death to Life (new birth)

But hey, You want to deny God has the power to draw dead people to himself. thats on you.. He rose Lazarus from the dead.. If he can do that, He can draw the dead to himself so they can see, and make a decision..

because you see, Gods reputation is at stake for all eternity. Not yours or mine. God will not bow to you or me..

But he will not force you to recieve his gift, or keep you from having the ability to recieve it. Thats why he is God and we are not..

You don't understand.

 

[BlessedPeace]

That's not John 10

Ephesians 1:4 - according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

You missed, "and".

 

[Rockerduck]

You missed, "and".

Not according to King James Bible.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Not according to King James Bible.

You missed,"and" , according to what my reply actually said.

 

[Rockerduck]

You missed,"and" , according to what my reply actually said.

Oh, I didn't understand the code. Lol

 

[BlessedPeace]

Oh, I didn't understand the code. Lol

It's not code. It's grammar.

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[Eternally Grateful]

It isn't my point. It is God's words that harmonize with the Gospel in total.

Not the way you say it.

You don't understand.

I understand quite well.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Not the way you say it.

Again,
you don't notice what I "said" was copied from related scripture and pasted together in a succinct message that remains the same eternally because God said it first.

I understand quite well.

Not the way you say it .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Again,
you don't notice what I "said" was copied from related scripture and pasted together in a succinct message that remains the same eternally because God said it first.

Like i said, anyone can past any passage, it does not prove their point

Not the way you say it .

Whatever.

You want to pump your chest and boast how great you are. Feel free.

I will have non of it and will humbly come to the throne of grace. And point to jesus, Not myself like you are doing

its amazing both arminians and calvinists point to self. In their pride they can not see they fail to point to christ, even though both claim they do.


but its all about them, My works, My ability, or god chose me, and not you.. blah blah blah

 

[BlessedPeace]

Like i said, anyone can past any passage, it does not prove their point

Whatever.

You want to pump your chest and boast how great you are. Feel free.

I will have non of it and will humbly come to the throne of grace. And point to jesus, Not myself like you are doing

its amazing both arminians and calvinists point to self. In their pride they can not see they fail to point to christ, even though both claim they do.


but its all about them, My works, My ability, or god chose me, and not you.. blah blah blah

Thank you. You just assured me, you do not understand.

See, I turned your posting style around onto you. And you replied as you did above.

No one comes to Salvation in Christ unless the Holy Spirit enters in and leads that person Holy Spirit Elected through His grace to receive the free irrevocable gift of Salvation. And this Election was before the foundation of the world. And that person's name is written in The Lambs Book of Eternal Life.

This happens because as Jesus,Yeshua,tells us, the things of God are foolishness to all people,we who as humans are of a natural,carnal,self-absorbed,self-conscious,mind. We are in and a product of this world.

Unless God,the Holy Spirit, enters into our consciousness. And then He leads us to understanding. Because we are meant to by God's will and through His grace.

All that God gives to Salvation through His anointing, Christ, Jesus/Yeshua will eternally irrevocably remain in Him. He will lose no one. We did not choose Him. He chose us.


The Human doctrine of choice disagrees.

Because the things of God,such as the Gospel,are foolishness.
Which is why some insist God predetermining all things is just not in scripture. And so too is it foolish to think God saves us and we don't have to earn it or labor to keep it. We know! Nothing in life is really ever free.
We have free will. Which says we tell a God what's up.
Certainly humans can choose to follow Jesus. And conversely choose not to.

A large part of the Words of God are God foretelling his plans for people,places and things.

This doesn't mean God predetermines everything.Proverbs 16:9 is a mere suggestion.

And if someone is saved and then chooses not to be, God revokes every little thing that occurred when that person was redeemed in Christ and made a new creation. It all gets stripped away. They're dead in sin again.God remembers their sin.They lose the ability to understand the things of God so that it all becomes foolishness to them again. And their choice not to believe evicts the Holy Spirit from within them.

Oops! Sorry Jesus! You said of all the Father gives you shall lose none. No one will take them from your hand. BUT! You didn't say they couldn't choose to jump.

Eternal Life. Through Yeshua,Jesus Christ The Lord!
Conditional Reprieve.
Yeshua died on the cross so we could work at it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thank you. You just assured me, you do not understand.

Thank you, You just made my morning, I needed a good laugh

See, I turned your posting style around onto you. And you replied as you did above.

No one comes to Salvation in Christ unless the Holy Spirit enters in and leads that person Holy Spirit Elected through His grace to receive the free irrevocable gift of Salvation. And this Election was before the foundation of the world. And that person's name is written in The Lambs Book of Eternal Life.

So you just proived me right

1. You say the HS has no power to draw people without entering that person and making him right with God.
2. You claim we are made alive while still under the penalty of sin.

This happens because as Jesus,Yeshua,tells us, the things of God are foolishness to all people,we who as humans are of a natural,carnal,self-absorbed,self-conscious,mind. We are in and a product of this world.

Yes, this is why God has to convict us, and to teach us, which Jesus said he would do to everyone..

Unless God,the Holy Spirit, enters into our consciousness. And then He leads us to understanding. Because we are meant to by God's will and through His grace.

lol.. Your half way there. Romans 1 says the world knows who God is and knows they are judged. but they hide it in their heart. and God turns them over to their sin.

so they do know spiritual things.

All that God gives to Salvation through His anointing, Christ, Jesus/Yeshua will eternally irrevocably remain in Him. He will lose no one. We did not choose Him. He chose us.

But see, even here you err. We will not remain in him, He will KEEP US. He said he will never leave nor forsake us. it is not me remaining in him, that's legalism.

Stop putting focus on self. and put it in God.

The Human doctrine of choice disagrees.

Because the things of God,such as the Gospel,are foolishness.
Which is why some insist God predetermining all things is just not in scripture. And so too is it foolish to think God saves us and we don't have to earn it or labor to keep it. We know! Nothing in life is really ever free.
We have free will. Which says we tell a God what's up.

No. lol a false thought.

The tax collector did not in his free will tell God whats up.

He cried out for God to have mercy on him, Just like I did in my free will 40 years ago , and like thousands upon thousands (maybe millions) of people have done since Christ left this earth

Certainly humans can choose to follow Jesus. And conversely choose not to.

A large part of the Words of God are God foretelling his plans for people,places and things.

This doesn't mean God predetermines everything.Proverbs 16:9 is a mere suggestion.

do what?

And if someone is saved and then chooses not to be, God revokes every little thing that occurred when that person was redeemed in Christ and made a new creation. It all gets stripped away. They're dead in sin again.God remembers their sin.They lose the ability to understand the things of God so that it all becomes foolishness to them again. And their choice not to believe evicts the Holy Spirit from within them.

This is a lie.. Thats not what I believem, and I have over 6000 people here in my city that are part of my local congregation that rejects that thinking also.

try again.

Stop fighting arminian doctrine, and start to look to people and hear what they say, not what you think they say.

Oops! Sorry Jesus! You said of all the Father gives you shall lose none. No one will take them from your hand. BUT! You didn't say they couldn't choose to jump.

Eternal Life. Through Yeshua,Jesus Christ The Lord!
Conditional Reprieve.
Yeshua died on the cross so we could work at it.

Nope.

This is not true, and the fact you have known me for how long now? yet you just use your calvinist talking point, proving you have not heard a word i have said, just proves your preprogrammed

when your ready to discuss the word. come find me, i would love to dicsuss it with you.

Right now your stuck in your belief and your pre-programed responses.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Thank you, You just made my morning, I needed a good laugh

So you just proived me right

1. You say the HS has no power to draw people without entering that person and making him right with God.
2. You claim we are made alive while still under the penalty of sin.

Yes, this is why God has to convict us, and to teach us, which Jesus said he would do to everyone..

lol.. Your half way there. Romans 1 says the world knows who God is and knows they are judged. but they hide it in their heart. and God turns them over to their sin.

so they do know spiritual things.

But see, even here you err. We will not remain in him, He will KEEP US. He said he will never leave nor forsake us. it is not me remaining in him, that's legalism.

Stop putting focus on self. and put it in God.

No. lol a false thought.

The tax collector did not in his free will tell God whats up.

He cried out for God to have mercy on him, Just like I did in my free will 40 years ago , and like thousands upon thousands (maybe millions) of people have done since Christ left this earth

do what?

This is a lie.. Thats not what I believem, and I have over 6000 people here in my city that are part of my local congregation that rejects that thinking also.

try again.

Stop fighting arminian doctrine, and start to look to people and hear what they say, not what you think they say.

Nope.

This is not true, and the fact you have known me for how long now? yet you just use your calvinist talking point, proving you have not heard a word i have said, just proves your preprogrammed

when your ready to discuss the word. come find me, i would love to dicsuss it with you.

Right now your stuck in your belief and your pre-programed responses.

Thank you again.